So I want to talk about the Mormons

[CONAN]

Me pointing out that you are a self righteous prick means my panties are in a bunch? K.

Wow, now you're really going off the deep end. I see we are off course and now you are just ranting on your normal agenda against me. Always a fan of self-righteous folks claiming others are self-righteous. Careful up there, Guy.

 

[franklin]

Franklin is a mormon in sheep clothing. Hehepeepeecaca

I don't know what this means.

 

[Archie Moses]

I don't either.

 

[Gameface]

wtf

I'm trying to have fun with you but you won't have it.

 

[Gameface]

I don't know what this means.

I think he meant a sheep in Mormon clothing.

 

[One Brow]

Several points:
(a) not all of the items I listed are found in the KJV.
(b) some of those are found, but were not recognized until well after Smith. Chiasmus is probably the most cited example of this.
(c) there's a wide gulf between simple word substitutions like thee/thou and being able to properly using idioms, especially ones that you don't even consciously know about. I'm fairly fluent in German, having lived 7 years of my life in Germany and Austria, but even though I could easily write a book in English using periodic German vocabulary words properly, I don't think there's any way I could write a book in English that contains dozens of properly-used Germanic idioms.
(d) many people in Joseph Smith's day pointed to these idioms as evidence the book was NOT from God, because of all of the English language errors they created. So it wasn't apparent to those people (who would have had the same background as Smith) that this was "automatically proper scriptural language".

So, you're saying that the English language errors you reference in d) are precisely those Hebraisms under discussion? Personally, I didn't see anything in the list presented that would be jarring to me in casual conversation. I'm fairly sure I've heard "also" placed all over the place and widely varying proposition usage.

Again, I'm not saying these are expressions with parallels to Hebrew. I'm just saying I don't think this evidence passes the Moby Dick test.

 

[Stoked]

I'm trying to have fun with you but you won't have it.

The Mormons that are uptight and self righteous don't have fun. They have babies and Sunday school.

 

[CONAN]

I'm trying to have fun with you but you won't have it.

Oh hahahahahahaha! You are hilarious!

 

[colton]

So, you're saying that the English language errors you reference in d) are precisely those Hebraisms under discussion?

No, I didn't say that. I said that "many people in Joseph Smith's day pointed to these idioms as evidence the book was NOT from God, because of all of the English language errors they created". I didn't say "all English errors were due to the Hebrew nature of the source text".

Now, as to what fraction of the English language errors were related to Hebraisms, I don't know. But I do know that there are a ton of such errors... and there are even more if you look at the original manuscripts (as per work by Royal Skousen) than if you look at the Book of Mormon as currently published by the LDS church.

 

[Stoked]

Oh hahahahahahaha! You are hilarious!

It was funny but you wouldn't know that.

 

[One Brow]

No, I didn't say that. I said that "many people in Joseph Smith's day pointed to these idioms as evidence the book was NOT from God, because of all of the English language errors they created". I didn't say "all English errors were due to the Hebrew nature of the source text".

OK.

Now, as to what fraction of the English language errors were related to Hebraisms, I don't know. But I do know that there are a ton of such errors... and there are even more if you look at the original manuscripts (as per work by Royal Skousen) than if you look at the Book of Mormon as currently published by the LDS church.

OK. Is there any reason I should see this as not being the equivalent of the Bible Code?

 

[CONAN]

It was funny but you wouldn't know that.

Thanks for the guidance there.