Speaking of IQ.

[8]

Including mathematics?

No. I'm talking about a liberal arts degree program that doesn't include mathematics.

To be more specific, technical studies are the least exciting, personally.

 

[TroutBum]

BTW Trout, just because I tried to give a few ideas, don't think that I see myself as a smart person or I think I am a high IQ guy with a super brain or something. If anything, I find myself pretty average, especially next to my bro who is probably a semi-genius anyway. And I also have similar complains of yours sometimes. But I'm just one of those not so bright but hard working guys who has to get around problems with working harder than most. So, I just tried to write a few things that work for me. Math+Chess+popular science+puzzles+lots of reading etc are the things that help me the most. Likewise, the last two years or so, I found that regular exercising is also very helpful to make me feel better about my cognitive skills. Maybe trying to learn a new language could also be very beneficial for you but I find it particularly hard(almost ten years of English and I'm still so insufficient) so I think I gave up on that matter.

Anyway just wanted to make sure, because I really wouldn't like to sound like a smart-***, arrogant, cocky person or something.

Not at all, man, never think it. I appreciate any/all comments from anyone -- that was the point of the thread.

Off topic, I've really been getting into the local history of the St. George area, the natives who lived around here, the Spanish that slaughtered those Indians and buried their gold in the deserts, and the pioneers that trekked down here in the mid 1800's. In my exploring, I have found some petroglyphs that I'm almost certain have not been seen by anyone in the last 100 years, carvings in rocks from a cotton company that rolled thru in 1861, some arrowheads, and a few fossils.

That alone has kept me very entertained the last few weeks.

 

[HighlandHomie]

That alone has kept me very entertained the last few weeks.

Hate to burst your bubble, but I saw those well over a year ago - everything down to the last detail. And those weren't fossils. They were the chicken wing bones I threw on the ground after I got done feeding them to my guide, my spiritual adviser, companion and wife.

 

[One Brow]

^^ Dead wrong. It's God's language.

Mathematics is a human construction that has a broad range of uses, but it's no where near universal enough to be considered "God's language".

 

[Jonah]

Mathematics is a human construction that has a broad range of uses, but it's no where near universal enough to be considered "God's language".

Pretty sure it was just a lighthearted paraphrase of Galileo.

"Mathematics is the language with which God wrote the Universe." Galileo Galilei

 

[TroutBum]

Pretty sure it was just a lighthearted paraphrase of Galileo.

"Mathematics is the language with which God wrote the Universe." Galileo Galilei

God was a racist, clearly.


No need to post, OneBrow, I got it for you.

 

[Siro]

Mathematics is a human construction that has a broad range of uses, but it's no where near universal enough to be considered "God's language".

This is your opinion and isn't a generally agreed upon fact within the scientific community. I for one think that the idea of math as the only fundamental reality is plausible. It possibly explains why quantum mechanics cannot be described in terms of physical reality, for example (without relying on concepts such as the multiverse). I'm not saying that it is, but you answered in a matter of fact kind of way, when this is probably the deepest question in all areas of knowledge.

 

[colton]

Off topic, I've really been getting into the local history of the St. George area, the natives who lived around here, the Spanish that slaughtered those Indians and buried their gold in the deserts, and the pioneers that trekked down here in the mid 1800's. In my exploring, I have found some petroglyphs that I'm almost certain have not been seen by anyone in the last 100 years, carvings in rocks from a cotton company that rolled thru in 1861, some arrowheads, and a few fossils.

That alone has kept me very entertained the last few weeks.

That is really cool.

 

[TroutBum]

That is really cool.

You don't know the half of it. Let's just say that I also found some things that I'm fairly certain have to do with the BoM.

 

[babe]

Not at all, man, never think it. I appreciate any/all comments from anyone -- that was the point of the thread.

Off topic, I've really been getting into the local history of the St. George area, the natives who lived around here, the Spanish that slaughtered those Indians and buried their gold in the deserts, and the pioneers that trekked down here in the mid 1800's. In my exploring, I have found some petroglyphs that I'm almost certain have not been seen by anyone in the last 100 years, carvings in rocks from a cotton company that rolled thru in 1861, some arrowheads, and a few fossils.

That alone has kept me very entertained the last few weeks.

Sounds like you've become blood brothers with PKM.

 

[Siro]

Not at all, man, never think it. I appreciate any/all comments from anyone -- that was the point of the thread.

Off topic, I've really been getting into the local history of the St. George area, the natives who lived around here, the Spanish that slaughtered those Indians and buried their gold in the deserts, and the pioneers that trekked down here in the mid 1800's. In my exploring, I have found some petroglyphs that I'm almost certain have not been seen by anyone in the last 100 years, carvings in rocks from a cotton company that rolled thru in 1861, some arrowheads, and a few fossils.

That alone has kept me very entertained the last few weeks.

That is seriously awesome. I've always fantasized about hunting historical artifacts and fossils.

 

[bigb]

Sounds like you've become blood brothers with PKM.

Waaaaaaaay more than blood brothers.

 

[HighlandHomie]

I've always fantasized about hunting historical artifacts and fossils.

 

[Gameface]

wtf?

 

[♪alt13]

 

[ema]

Mathematics is a human construction that has a broad range of uses, but it's no where near universal enough to be considered "God's language".

Pretty sure it was just a lighthearted paraphrase of Galileo.

"Mathematics is the language with which God wrote the Universe." Galileo Galilei

Yep it was a lighthearted response to Trout's fart-hearthed Satan-Hitler offspring joke.

But like Siro explained, it's definitely arguable also, if God exists of course. In my belief, there isn't much distinguish anyway between the math/pure objective logic and the existence itself. I believe in such a God notion that he is the creator of that logic rules(the rules of the existing game) in the first place, along with everything else. So, to speak serious, I would think that math is just another thing that God created rather than being his "official language", but it's for me, kind of a sure thing that math carries a special significance within the all creation of God.

Nevertheless, I think you can see how subjective it can turn into, this argument I mean. I love math, pure math(not the construction that has a broad range of uses), and don't care the rest.

 

[One Brow]

This is your opinion and isn't a generally agreed upon fact within the scientific community. I for one think that the idea of math as the only fundamental reality is plausible. It possibly explains why quantum mechanics cannot be described in terms of physical reality, for example (without relying on concepts such as the multiverse). I'm not saying that it is, but you answered in a matter of fact kind of way, when this is probably the deepest question in all areas of knowledge.

You are correct this is a philosophical position more than a fact. Many mathematicians will says they are mathematical realists, but then when it comes to publishing papers, act like fictionalists anyhow.

I don't think scientists, for the most part, care whether math is real or constructed, as long as it serves them properly.

 

[Siro]

Hey, *******, I'm glad you negged me for no reason. I was trying to avoid your idiotic posts because I started to feel sorry for you, but I'll take the neg as an invitation back to your life.

 

[ema]

You are correct this is a philosophical position more than a fact. Many mathematicians will says they are mathematical realists, but then when it comes to publishing papers, act like fictionalists anyhow.

I don't think scientists, for the most part, care whether math is real or constructed, as long as it serves them properly.

This is a very intriguing topic for me. Pure Mathematics, Logic Mathematics, Applied Mathematics, Mathematical Philosophy, Art of Mathematics etc. There are many fine lines between them. I can suggest a great book about this very subject for the people who might be interested with it. It's one of the books that made me love Mathematics, "The Art of Mathematics" by Jerry P. King. It puts a great argument on this topic and distinguishes the things perfectly in my opinion.

One thing I precisely remember from the book is its proposition that pure math can also be considered as an art form, or it at least carries a great deal of esthetic aspect. I couldn't help but agreed when he described many basic theorems in such a pure and beautiful way that we don't and cannot learn in schools. One example from the book still gives me goose bumps whenever I think about it. It's Euclid's theorem about the infinity of the prime numbers. In just one line of math, you can see both great logic, esthetic and the power of pure math. A simple line of pure thinking that was produced more than 2300 years back from today.

 

[LogGrad98]

wtf?