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Spencer Hawes

At this point, adding Hawes would depend who we add in the draft. If we draft The Tank or Looney I would roll with them rather than acquire Hawes. But if we draft a backcourt player Hawes would be a good candidate for backup C, not great but good.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
At this point, adding Hawes would depend who we add in the draft. If we draft The Tank or Looney I would roll with them rather than acquire Hawes. But if we draft a backcourt player Hawes would be a good candidate for backup C, not great but good.
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I'm with you... its not plan A or B... but is a fine backup idea should other things not go our way.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
When you are the fifth option it might be... when you get inconsistent minutes it might be. Just saying the data for the previous 7 seasons suggests he shoots a higher percentage than he did this year and that this year might just be a bit of an outlier.

Jared Dudley didn't do great last year playing alongside those guys (although he had some injury issues). Maybe it takes a little time to acclimate to a new role... also maybe he doesn't share the court with those two all the time because he comes off the bench... maybe he shares the court with the playmaking stylings of Jamal Crawford and Hedo Turkoglu.

Griffin isn't a good defender... he has probably improved from terrible... my bad. I just remember Millsap and him taking turns giving each other 30. In either case BG and Hawes together is not a good defensive front court... BG provides zero rim protection.
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Milsap has scored 30 on Griffin exactly 0 times.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=griffbl01&p2=millspa01

Keep trying.
 
Also HH, Hawes had extremely consistent minutes the entire regular season. Stop making stuff up.

He averaged a consistent 18 mpg during the regular season, so he had to be on the court with Griffin or Paul for at least half his minutes.

He also started 16 games, averaging 25 mpg in those games. Shot a blazing 36% from the field, 28% from deep, and grabbed 4 rebounds per game.

Spencer Hawes is hot trash.
 
Hey Zach Lowe, can you tell HH about Griffin's defense

The Defense

Griffin is still growing defensively, though he’s far from the sieve his critics imagine him to be. He’s mobile and alert, essential qualities for Doc Rivers’s strongside overload scheme, and he can use his speed to contain pick-and-rolls in a variety of styles. Griffin generally tries hard, which is half the battle on defense. Bigger guys can still give him issues on the block, and genetics have ensured Griffin will never be a scary rim protector who deters drivers.

He has gotten better. The Clips rank eighth overall in points allowed per possession, and they’ve been a hair stingier than their overall average with the Griffin-Jordan duo on the floor, per NBA.com. That’s an important change from last season, when the team’s bench propped up starter-heavy units that couldn’t defend well enough.

The young L.A. bigs aren’t stoppers, separately or together. Teams have shot nearly 52 percent on close shots when Jordan is near both the shooter and the rim, a below-average mark for a big man playing heavy minutes, per SportVU data. (In fairness to Jordan, this number has been gradually coming down from about 60 percent over the last six weeks.) Opponents have hit 62.6 percent of shots in the restricted area against the Clippers, the seventh-worst mark among all team defenses, per NBA.com.

Jordan is still occasionally late on weakside rotations and can space out at bad times. The two bigs still have blips of miscommunication that result in one opposing big man being left wide open. The Clippers have fallen off a bit defensively since Paul’s injury, and while the falloff doesn’t amount to much in terms of L.A.’s place in the league’s defensive hierarchy, it’s worth monitoring, considering the blah competition. The Clips might be 9-3 without Paul, but they’re just 3-2 in that stretch against teams currently at .500 or better, and two of those wins came against teams — Chicago and Toronto — that are just two games over .500 combined.

The Clippers, like basically every team, have some issues to sort out. But this non-Paul stretch has been a sort of second coming-out party for Griffin — the very loud announcement of his maturation as a player. The critics should take note.
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BabyPeterzz said:
At this point, adding Hawes would depend who we add in the draft. If we draft The Tank or Looney I would roll with them rather than acquire Hawes. But if we draft a backcourt player Hawes would be a good candidate for backup C, not great but good.
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Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm with you... its not plan A or B... but is a fine backup idea should other things not go our way.
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Cy said:
Hey Zach Lowe, can you tell HH about Griffin's defense
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Dude I backed off and said that he isn't terrible anymore, but he's still not good. Put him out there with Hawes and it probably doesn't end well. His minutes were not extremely consistent during the latter half of the year... he's been in and out of the rotation a bit. Even so, he never found a role with this team.

I love that Hawes has a bad year with a new team and he's hot trash. Let's ignore all previous data points. Your boy Otto Porter has two decent games and we should unload every damned pick we have to get him.

Millsap put up 25 against him a couple times... the point was he's not a great defender. He may have been better recently but he's not as good as Favs.

Also, please find me a player we can get without giving up assets that makes less than $5-6 M that has no flaws.

He's not my first choice (or second or third), but if he's getting Cooley minutes when everyone is healthy then he can likely do more with that role than Jack did... and would be an okay fill in when we have injuries. He's a viable option and a buy low candidate.

He is better than his play this year.
 
If we're going to compare the Clips and the Jazz we need to look at Booker v Davis. Not Hawes v Davis. I think most have agreed that Book is the 3rd big, and we're looking for a back up C, not our 3rd big. Hawes may be that player. Maybe.


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Stifle Tower said:
Man, oh man. I don't have the ability to embed this clip. Rep to anyone who can. I'll post the link. This is a highlight dunk by Capela over Hawes. Looks to me like Hawes had time to get over. He sees the play developing and tries to slide over...with feet of stone. And then elevates about an inch trying to do what, exactly? A dunk AND1 for Capela.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-o...ets-clint-capela-dunks-all-over-spencer-hawes
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Deandre Jordan is the guy who completely blew his defensive assignment on that play. Hawes didn't do a very good job of cleaning up his teammates mistake, but very few guys would have succeeded in that situation.
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