Stupid Pet Peeves

[LogGrad98]

The white trash speech pattern of my wife's family drives me crazy. A few examples:

- The phrase "I/we seen".
- The phrase "I/we done".
- The use of "down" to indicate any direction of travel from Salt Lake City-- i.e., down to Logan, down to Idaho, down to the Ireland, down to the North Pole, down to outer space, etc.
- Rather than "what if", "ones if". For example: "Ones if we watch the Jazz game instead of this CSI: Miami rerun?" I can't even justify in my head how or why that got started.
- The arbitrary replacement of the mid-word letter "t" with a vague guttaral sound, as in: "We're driving down to Layh-uhn".

The ironic twist is that these aren't uneducated knuckledraggers. Her dad is an engineer for a medical manufacturer, her mother is a marketing/sales manager, my wife has a Masters in Nursing... and I'm just a condescending know-it-all carrying around a fixation on poor grammar in my head.

So that's my pet peeve.

That, and open-mouth chewing. Gross.

Prime examples of Utah speak. Join the haters club and have some haterade.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

The white trash speech pattern of my wife's family drives me crazy. A few examples:

- The phrase "I/we seen".
- The phrase "I/we done".
- The use of "down" to indicate any direction of travel from Salt Lake City-- i.e., down to Logan, down to Idaho, down to the Ireland, down to the North Pole, down to outer space, etc.
- Rather than "what if", "ones if". For example: "Ones if we watch the Jazz game instead of this CSI: Miami rerun?" I can't even justify in my head how or why that got started.

I suppose I can get behind these.

- The arbitrary replacement of the mid-word letter "t" with a vague guttaral sound, as in: "We're driving down to Layh-uhn".

Not arbitrary. It's called the glottal stop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop

I'd love for you to say mounTAIN.

The ironic twist is that these aren't uneducated knuckledraggers. Her dad is an engineer for a medical manufacturer, her mother is a marketing/sales manager, my wife has a Masters in Nursing... and I'm just a condescending know-it-all carrying around a fixation on poor grammar in my head.

So that's my pet peeve.

So I guess since Loggrad wants this thread to be about pet peeves and not people complaining about pet peeves (which is seemingly half the posts in this thread), one of my pet peeves is people thinking the way they pronounce words is vastly superior to another's.

When are you guys going to complain about "ask" being pronounced "aks?"

 

[Scat]

The use of the word like. Like it really pisses me of when like I'm talking to someone and like they use the word like every 3 or 4 words. Like it's highly irritating!!

 

[LogGrad98]

I suppose I can get behind these.



Not arbitrary. It's called the glottal stop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop

I'd love for you to say mounTAIN.



So I guess since Loggrad wants this thread to be about pet peeves and not people complaining about pet peeves (which is seemingly half the posts in this thread), one of my pet peeves is people thinking the way they pronounce words is vastly superior to another's.

When are you guys going to complain about "ask" being pronounced "aks?"

Complain about the peeved all you want. It just means that people expressing their pet peeves is a pet peeve of yours.

And if you are trying to argue that there is no "Utah Speak" then you need to take the quiz that tells what part of the country you are from (check the google). There are distinct word patterns directly associated with Utah. It isn't a secret or a conspiracy. It's just the way Utahns talk. No different than "y'all" everywhere in the south. And to some people it sounds uneducated and crass and can be irritating.

And yes, I actually say "moun-tin" with a very subtle but noticeable pronunciation of the "t" in the word (I had to try this out with my family to verify...lol). I have noticed this more outside of Utah. In Utah it is almost exclusively "mou-un". My friends that lived in California who came to visit when I lived there called it "Lay-ton" or once they had visited a few times "Late-n", but never omitting the "T" entirely, whereas the locals call is "lay-un" with just a kind of pause between the lay and the un.

Here is a simple test. Ask a native Utahn for a "pin" or a "pen" and they will almost invariably ask which you mean, a pin or pen, since they generally pronounce the one like the other and vice versa, and often with a sort of combined vowel that makes them both sound the same. Goes right along with "mell" instead of "mail" or "rill" instead of "real".

 

[Stifle Tower]

The use of the word like. Like it really pisses me of when like I'm talking to someone and like they use the word like every 3 or 4 words. Like it's highly irritating!!

When I was growing up, it was "you know." My father and I used to count how many "you knows" a player would use in a post-game interview.

 

[bigb]

Complain about the peeved all you want. It just means that people expressing their pet peeves is a pet peeve of yours.

And if you are trying to argue that there is no "Utah Speak" then you need to take the quiz that tells what part of the country you are from (check the google). There are distinct word patterns directly associated with Utah. It isn't a secret or a conspiracy. It's just the way Utahns talk. No different than "y'all" everywhere in the south. And to some people it sounds uneducated and crass and can be irritating.

And yes, I actually say "moun-tin" with a very subtle but noticeable pronunciation of the "t" in the word (I had to try this out with my family to verify...lol). I have noticed this more outside of Utah. In Utah it is almost exclusively "mou-un". My friends that lived in California who came to visit when I lived there called it "Lay-ton" or once they had visited a few times "Late-n", but never omitting the "T" entirely, whereas the locals call is "lay-un" with just a kind of pause between the lay and the un.

Here is a simple test. Ask a native Utahn for a "pin" or a "pen" and they will almost invariably ask which you mean, a pin or pen, since they generally pronounce the one like the other and vice versa, and often with a sort of combined vowel that makes them both sound the same. Goes right along with "mell" instead of "mail" or "rill" instead of "real".

The only words I use of everything that's been listed are mountain and Layton. I fall into the Utah speak of these. Everything else I use the "correct" pronunciation. The two that bother me the worst are melk instead of milk and pellow instead of pillow.

 

[UGLI baby]

Loggradbro, nobody is offended or something that you think Utahns talk weird, cuz they do.

The thing is, outside of the Mountain and Layton examples, nobody from Utah talks anything like what you are saying. Like, the Mountain and Layton stuff is cultural, the other stuff is just some random dude you met that talks weird lol.

The pen/pin thing? No bro.

 

[moevillini]

I suppose I can get behind these.



Not arbitrary. It's called the glottal stop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop

I'd love for you to say mounTAIN.

I tend to say "sum'n" for "something" and it drives my daughter crazy - I try to be very careful when she's around so I don't have to hear her complain.

Even when she's not around I'll hear her voice in my head correcting me!

When are you guys going to complain about "ask" being pronounced "aks?"

Isn't it primarily just the blask who pronounce it that way? Seems that way to me.

Same with "ink pen". It took me years to realize it's not just that some folks pronounce PIN and PEN the same, they hear them as the same word.

(get it?)

 

[Scat]

Loggradbro, nobody is offended or something that you think Utahns talk weird, cuz they do.

The thing is, outside of the Mountain and Layton examples, nobody from Utah talks anything like what you are saying. Like, the Mountain and Layton stuff is cultural, the other stuff is just some random dude you met that talks weird lol.

The pen/pin thing? No bro.

How about creek? Rarely do I hear it pronounced correctly. Instead, everybody goes fishing in the crick.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Complain about the peeved all you want. It just means that people expressing their pet peeves is a pet peeve of yours.

And if you are trying to argue that there is no "Utah Speak" then you need to take the quiz that tells what part of the country you are from (check the google). There are distinct word patterns directly associated with Utah. It isn't a secret or a conspiracy. It's just the way Utahns talk. No different than "y'all" everywhere in the south. And to some people it sounds uneducated and crass and can be irritating.

And yes, I actually say "moun-tin" with a very subtle but noticeable pronunciation of the "t" in the word (I had to try this out with my family to verify...lol). I have noticed this more outside of Utah. In Utah it is almost exclusively "mou-un". My friends that lived in California who came to visit when I lived there called it "Lay-ton" or once they had visited a few times "Late-n", but never omitting the "T" entirely, whereas the locals call is "lay-un" with just a kind of pause between the lay and the un.

Here is a simple test. Ask a native Utahn for a "pin" or a "pen" and they will almost invariably ask which you mean, a pin or pen, since they generally pronounce the one like the other and vice versa, and often with a sort of combined vowel that makes them both sound the same. Goes right along with "mell" instead of "mail" or "rill" instead of "real".

The thing is, IT'S NOT UTAH SPEAK. And that's kind of the point. It's NORMAL speech. The glottal stop, ESPECIALLY with the t to n relationship, is VERY AMERICAN and not Utahn. The only reason people say the "t" in Layton is that they're unfamiliar with the word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS4YZ_a3_ig

(That video also goes into Moe's Sump'n post.)

And if you think the pin/pen relationship is someone Utah only, well, I'm currently taking about 80 calls a day from people around the country that can have both words in the conversation, and the fact that they speak English is why pin/pen can sound the same, since the calls come from all 50 states.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

How about creek? Rarely do I hear it pronounced correctly. Instead, everybody goes fishing in the crick.

In English, the tendency (so much so that it becomes an allophonic rule in cases) is to elongate vowels when followed by a voiced consonant and shorten vowels with a voiceless consonant (say wheat and weed out loud, you'll hear the difference). Creek to crick follows that trend.

 

[UGLI baby]

How about creek? Rarely do I hear it pronounced correctly. Instead, everybody goes fishing in the crick.

In Utah??

I grew up in Sandy and I guess I'm primarily around Sandy'ers, but never heard people in Utah call it a crick.

Maybe all this stuff is a small town Utah thing?

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