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My biggest dissapointment of the draft was Sensebaugh over Leonard Miller or a few other late firsts that fell.

My second biggest dissapointtment was opting to go with Hendricks in lieu of trading up to grab Jarace Walker or Anthony Black. I liked both of them a lot. It's unfair whether that will be a big deal or not, but both look really good so far and Hen is sitting on his dricks.

The other dissapointment on draft night was getting a player I really wasn't sold on in Keyonte. But he is proving me wrong so far. He does get stuffed at the rim too easily (my biggest fear for him) and his shot % from 3 is just 34% across 4 games (my second biggest fear being low fg%) and his defense at times is REALLY poor... as in, not interested in the slightest poor (my last main fear with Key) but he just looks so fluid and like he has the IT factor. I love to be proven wrong when we get great play for the Jazz.
 
I wonder if stats exist for NBA FO's success rate in the draft over the long-term? I know in the NFL they have some stats that suggest that all NFL FOs have very similar hit/bust rates in the draft at respective positions in the draft and thus the biggest advantages actually come from how you are able to move in the draft and accumulate extra picks, rather than relying that you will be better evaluator than the rest of the league. I wonder if the NBA is similar...
 
Jingled said:

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Ryan... you can check my posts... did I think Desmond would be that good. Nope... did I and about 75% of the board (maybe slight exaggeration) think McDaniels or Bane was the obvious choice... yes.

Also weird he wants the "receipts" out there... The Jazz quite literally have to live with the receipts for the most part. Not sure he will get much credit if Bilal is any good and you had him right where he was drafted.
 
KqWIN said:
Whether you were high/low on Bilal to begin with, there hasn't been much to shift opinion. It is two SL games after all. His physical tools have been on full display, and that was the primary reason for drafting him. I think he's pretty unique and special here....not just from a length/vertical standpoint but how smoothly he moves. You see it in transition, his drives to the basket, and defensively especially. The hints of playmaking/passing are there as well even if his teammates boofed the assist. OTOH, his rawness is also on full display. He needs to tighten up his handle a little bit and obviously become a better shooter, but mechanics look really good. He's also very skinny and will need to add strength, that will help him out a ton around the basket. But these are all things we knew about him already. You liked him for the raw physical tools and potential or you hated him for the rawness and how far away he is. There's a reason why he's Exum-ish.

I wish he had better/less selfish guards on his team who don't freeze him out, but he's been fairly aggressive when he actually does get the ball which is good. He had a really good stretch with consecutive buckets+the huge block and then didn't touch the ball until the 4th quarter. Gotta love summer league.
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I didn't see both games but the one I did he was invisible. Quite literally the people I was with asked multiple times which one he was throughout the game. I just didn't see him standing out really at all... even physically. Its summer league so whatevs... was just weird his coach didn't get him involved at all. Super low stakes so get him some reps.

Again... summer league so whatevs. I wasn't really bummed on draft night when we didn't get him... saw nothing that gave me an ounce of regret atm. Wemby was trash (by his standards) his first game and so maybe that's all it was.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I didn't see both games but the one I did he was invisible. Quite literally the people I was with asked multiple times which one he was throughout the game. I just didn't see him standing out really at all... even physically. Its summer league so whatevs... was just weird his coach didn't get him involved at all. Super low stakes so get him some reps.

Again... summer league so whatevs. I wasn't really bummed on draft night when we didn't get him... saw nothing that gave me an ounce of regret atm. Wemby was trash (by his standards) his first game and so maybe that's all it was.
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I think this is a fair observation....Is that his fault or the Wizards guards/coaching? Probably some of both but the Wizards SL teams is one of those teams where whoever dribbles the ball up is probably going to shoot it. And that's true for Bilal as well, when he dribble the ball up the court he has been aggressive, but he just doesn't have the ball very much. It's the Johnny Davis show. I don't really know what to make of this. It's not bad, not good either which is why I don't think his SL has done much to change people's minds regardless of how they felt about him. Even Keyonte was getting frozen out Luka/Carey at times. It's just an SL thing where guys are playing for their lives. To some extent it's on him to demand the ball and force his way into the game, but if he makes a normal pass to keep the offense moving he likely will not touch it again.

The second game was better for him, but most of the action came in a one minute time span. Smooth pullup (miss), transition dunk, tough drive + and1 finish, incredible block. You kinda saw the whole package and reason to get excited about him. All of this happened in one minute, but he didn't touch the ball for like the next 15 minutes. If I'm on the Wizards staff I'm wanting Bilal to get as many reps as possible, but the instant he got involved we basically didn't see him again lol.
 
KqWIN said:
I think this is a fair observation....Is that his fault or the Wizards guards/coaching? Probably some of both but the Wizards SL teams is one of those teams where whoever dribbles the ball up is probably going to shoot it. And that's true for Bilal as well, when he dribble the ball up the court he has been aggressive, but he just doesn't have the ball very much. It's the Johnny Davis show. I don't really know what to make of this. It's not bad, not good either which is why I don't think his SL has done much to change people's minds regardless of how they felt about him. Even Keyonte was getting frozen out Luka/Carey at times. It's just an SL thing where guys are playing for their lives. To some extent it's on him to demand the ball and force his way into the game, but if he makes a normal pass to keep the offense moving he likely will not touch it again.

The second game was better for him, but most of the action came in a one minute time span. Smooth pullup (miss), transition dunk, tough drive + and1 finish, incredible block. You kinda saw the whole package and reason to get excited about him. All of this happened in one minute, but he didn't touch the ball for like the next 15 minutes. If I'm on the Wizards staff I'm wanting Bilal to get as many reps as possible, but the instant he got involved we basically didn't see him again lol.
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Right... the issue I have with it is that the Wiz should have it as priority number 1 to get him some reps and either they suck, haven't prioritized it, or they think he's not ready for it. Probably a mix of all three to be honest. The selfishness is a thing... but its not like that is how most guys think they will make the team. Selfish gunning is as likely to get guys cut as it is to help them "show out". So I think sometimes guys that get pushed out of positions where they would get the ball or who arent separating easily with the ball will have a hard time. Jared Butler seemed to get more separation the NBA than he did in summer league.
 
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