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T-ball parent needs advice

My dad was a coach, so I got to see this from the coaches side pretty often. The kids who didn't play usually fell into a few categories.

1. Missed practice very often
2. Didn't even want to be there, parents made them play
3. Would rather dick around during practice and not learn anything so when they did play they screwed everything up

The parents didn't care that the reasons made sense, they wanted their kid to play dammit!

Almost never did a kid who came and tried but wasnt very good not get PT.

This was more youth football than 5 year old tball so take it for what its worth.
 
I'm going to come at this from two different angles:

1. Growing up my parents moved several times. Playing baseball and football I found very quickly that most of the other kids and their parents were well known by the coaches and it was up to me to prove that I deserved playing time. I had to bust my *** and play harder, run faster, practice longer, etc than any of the other players to get playing time. It always took a while but by season's end I was the starter. And I wasn't picky about what position I got to play as long as I got to play. I know this is a difficult concept to teach a 6 year old and it is easy to give up, but if you can get him to buy into it he will eventually be on that field.

2. I coached my daughters' soccer teams while they were growing up. I butted heads with parents several times because they thought their kids should get equal playing time "just because". In one particular case I had a mother with two sons on the team. Her one son was put in at goalie during a game and literally watched the ball go past him twice with no attempt at stopping it because he didn't want to play goalie. I pulled him and sat him the rest of the game. Mommy was furious. She thought her sons should play the positions they liked best and should get to play as much as they like. I explained to her that her boys never came to practice, refused to jog around the field before games to warm up and in general didn't want to listen and do as they were asked during games. Why should they get everything they wanted when they didn't participate and be part of the team? She thought I was just a horrid coach (even though my teams were consistently among the best in the league) and went over my head to the league officials. Of course they had to meet with me and explain that since this is a rec league I had to play all kids equally regardless, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It pissed me off but I ended up playing them but certainly not where they wanted. League told me that as long as they were on the field they didn't care what position. The next year mommy requested that her kids not be on my team which was fine by me. I had numerous other parents requesting that their kids be put on my team.

If the coach is not strong he may be getting bullied by other parents.

For what it's worth, maybe offer helping the coach with practices or some other from of participation.
 
I appreciate all who have commented. I have an update, in addition to comments from some of the above posts. I do understand some of the general sentiment around ideas of spoiled 10 year olds and their parents being oblivious to the fact that they suck and demand they play, however:

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While I understand the importance of teaching kids life lessons, I kind of question the idea of going Tyrone Corbin on 5 year olds. I think I'd share a lot of these same sentiments if these were 12 year olds, but not at the age of 5. To be clear, my kid is a pretty good player. I taught him by pitching to him (which brings me to my tangent of t ball... when I played at his age it was coach pitch and you only used the T if you couldn't hit from the coach... speaking of life lessons, let's get rid of the damn T and let the kids play real ball, but I digress). He'd never hit off a T before, but if you saw him hit pitches you'd think he was pretty good. In any case, any of the mistakes he's made are the same mistakes every other kid has made. The idea that him seeing time on the field is conditional on some coach's arbitrary measure of success, two games into the season, is poppycock. I think him being "skillful" as a prerequisite to playing as a 5 year old is irrelevant (or at least should be in the minds of rational people). Baseball varies quite a bit from other sports in that nearly the whole team should be on the field at any given time. It isn't basketball where at least 7/12 people will be on the bench at any point. To justify sitting 4/9 innings based on any measure is total ********, especially when lots of other kids haven't ever sat out.

Also, it was mentioned about how if he played it essentially is just passing the buck as someone else's kid will sit on the bench. I'm not advocating anyone sit on the bench, especially not a significant amount. As mentioned, with this being baseball, there's plenty of field-time available with people only having to sit out an inning periodically. I'm also not advocating my kid play 100% of the time. I'm just advocating he not sit on the bench in a figure approaching 50% of the time, or even 25% of the time as that is not necessary nor required -- for anyone.

As far as taking his career as a T-ball player seriously, my thoughts mirror Buck Russell's thoughts on taking a career as a student seriously (highly recommend viewing as this is very pertinent -- start at 0:41):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEt5dEOcW0I

The update:

So Friday evening I called the coach. I spent the first part explaining that I understand it's difficult managing a bunch of kids, etc., etc., and then expressed how my concern was that my kid sat out multiple innings the first game, and that when he asked me why I told him that everyone is going to sit out at some point; but then the next game, when only 10 kids showed up, he still sat out half the game. He mentioned that it was an oversight and that if he had known he sat out in the first game that he wouldn't have sat him. I found this somewhat disingenuous as it was him who specifically sat him out the second game in more than one inning. If you've only got one guy on the bench, it's hard to make that argument that you don't realize the same person is sitting out. I'm willing to grant that game-to-game it's easy to not recognize that. Not so much within the game when you've got 10 guys. Later in the discussion he came back to "well, he did watch two balls go by him," so obviously he recalls that. He did, however, have to admit that this was the same problem with all the kids.

So yesterday there was another game. We were the first ones to show up. When someone else arrived, I overheard the coach state that they were only going to have 9 guys at the game. Later, before the game started, he approached me and told me that he'd be playing the whole game.

So far, we're 0-3. I attribute this to the defensive strategy (not that there should be one for a bunch of 5 year olds playing T ball), but their game plan is have the pitcher (in T ball the guy who gets 75% of the hits coming to him) field the ball and then try to run down the runner, without ever making an attempt to throw the guy out. I assume that since they'd risk an error from throwing or catching at 1st ended up in the runner taking second, that they think it's a better strategy to have the kid try to run everyone down rather than throw to another kid who may not catch it (or the pitcher may not even throw it good). Anyway, for the 3 games this has been the strategy. The entire game there was only one occasion where the ball was thrown to first, and that was by another player. Now, I don't really care about game plan (or if they even have one), but if you're trying to "win" games by not really having the kids develop any skills (i.e. simple fundamentals by throwing it to first) and instead are relying on something that's not a sustainable talent (running guys down), and which isn't working anyway (0-3), then that's just silly.
 
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Sounds like somewhat of a good outcome.... he seems to respect you now which is good.


BTW, the coach likes to play vets, bad defensive strategy and not letting young guys develop new skills, his name wouldn't be Ty Corbin by any chance?
 
Sounds like somewhat of a good outcome.... he seems to respect you now which is good.


BTW, the coach likes to play vets, bad defensive strategy and not letting young guys develop new skills, his name wouldn't be Ty Corbin by any chance?

I don't necessarily know what kind of an outcome it is yet. Him saying "he'll get to play the whole game" is an easy promise to make with 9 guys. If he would have said something like "I'll make sure he gets playing time" as a general statement rather than, as it appeared to, trying to right things by promising something that's already happening by default. If all he said was, "hey, I understand, I'll make sure he's not sitting out all the time," I think that'd be the end of it. It'd also be nice if we let the kids play the game the way it's designed, by throwing the ball.
 
Another quick update:

Played game 4 today. Another L (0-4). 10 kids showed up. Kid played catcher whole game. I mentioned before that our strategy is to have the pitcher field the ball and then try to run down all the runners to tag them out. Fantastic strategy. We got blown out. Great way to teach team work.

Number of times other team attempted to throw people out at first: 14
Number of times we attempted to throw anyone out (anywhere): 0

Last game we had 1 attempt at a throw-out.
 
Another quick update:

Played game 4 today. Another L (0-4). 10 kids showed up. Kid played catcher whole game. I mentioned before that our strategy is to have the pitcher field the ball and then try to run down all the runners to tag them out. Fantastic strategy. We got blown out. Great way to teach team work.

Number of times other team attempted to throw people out at first: 14
Number of times we attempted to throw anyone out (anywhere): 0

Last game we had 1 attempt at a throw-out.

I think its high time you give this coaching thkng a shot bro.

Wouldnt it be great if your team can smash this team out of the park?? Like really thrashed them???



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Next year I intend to coach. My schedule may no allow me I always be there, but I've got to find a few parents to go in with because this is getting silly.
 
I attribute this to the defensive strategy (not that there should be one for a bunch of 5 year olds playing T ball), but their game plan is have the pitcher (in T ball the guy who gets 75% of the hits coming to him) field the ball and then try to run down the runner, without ever making an attempt to throw the guy out. I assume that since they'd risk an error from throwing or catching at 1st ended up in the runner taking second, that they think it's a better strategy to have the kid try to run everyone down rather than throw to another kid who may not catch it (or the pitcher may not even throw it good).

This is an awful strategy. Why the hell is the coach not working on their throwing and catching? Winning is not that important in T-Ball(it's obviously not helping your team win to begin with). Teaching them how to throw and catch the ball properly along with how force outs and force plays work is IMO the most important thing when playing defense. I get that they are typically 5 years old, but come on. He's underestimating these kids by using this stupid strategy. I bet the kids that aren't at the pitcher position are getting really bored too. This is why some kids give the game up. Also, who cares if some balls went by your kid? This guy must think the team should be full of Adrelton Simmons clones out there. My best advice is for you to coach next year if you have the time or find a coach that teaches the game they way it should be played. You sound like you know what you're doing. I hope your schedule allows you to coach.
 
These are 5 year olds, guys. Even if they were throwing the ball to first, 90% of them would be chasing butterflies and picking their ***.
 
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