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Take Robert Upshaw

Handlogten's Heros said:
FYI ups have won't go in the first round if teams are smart... You know what doesn't help guys with drug issues... Lots of money. I wouldn't draft him in the second round... We don't need a rim protector that much. There aren't just maturity issues like with whiteside. Dude has major problems. I'd pass.
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lol

I'd take him in the first in a heartbeat if we didn't have Gobert. It's worth the risk.
 
Doublea said:
Chad Ford said teams found out that he has major character issues at the combine.
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Anybody heard anything on what these issues are? Usually if I hear this much negative junk about a guy I'm expecting assault or something, but all I've ever heard is 'violated team rules' in the reports. And I guess I just don't know what to think about that.
 
He sounds pretty well spoken in his interviews. I think he just like drugs and partying a little bit too much.
 
Eminence said:
Anybody heard anything on what these issues are? Usually if I hear this much negative junk about a guy I'm expecting assault or something, but all I've ever heard is 'violated team rules' in the reports. And I guess I just don't know what to think about that.
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He got kicked out of 2(TWO) different college teams. According to some reports one of the reasons was drug use and repeated violations of team rules(whatever that means). In an interview at the combine he said he let the big talk about him get to him and he let the crowd he was involved with influence his decisions in a bad way. He also said he was a changed man now. The problem is... he said similar things to the media 1 month before getting kicked out of Washington, too... Here's the quote: ""I made some bad choices. What happened is done and I can't change that, but I learned from it. I'm not doing it now. I'm definitely not doing it now. I'm in a better stage of my life. Basically, I just had to grow up."

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaa...led-nba-prospect-robert-upshaw-013702065.html

I am all for giving people second chances, but if we are drafting him, I'd be extremely cautious. I honestly wouldn't mind if we combined the 2 seconds for a late first and got him (if available). I think the risk is worth it and if it doesn't work out his contract is small enough for us to be able to absorb it.
 
Cy said:
lol

I'd take him in the first in a heartbeat if we didn't have Gobert. It's worth the risk.
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I might consider it in the late first round if we didn't have Gobert... This is a story that seems to end the wrong way every time. This guy may get it together, but it won't be on his rookie deal.
 
Doublea said:
Might be bad for team chemistry too.
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I'm trying to think of the last time a guy with a serious substance abuse issue turned it around... Chris Anderson? Would likely be a distraction.

If we drafted him I'd have gobert follow him everywhere and slap the bad stuff out his hands when he is trying to use... Mutombo style in that Geico commercial.
 
slc said:
So is Upshaw the player Perrin said gave a bad interview?
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He said the bad interview was unexpectedly bad. So I would assume it would be a player without any widely known major concerns...
 
I would prefer the Jazz cash in both their seconds to move up for someone with a big upside like De Paula or Upshaw.
 
Jazz4ever said:
I would prefer the Jazz cash in both their seconds to move up for someone with a big upside like De Paula or Upshaw.
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It really doesn't work that way... Our second second rounder is in the 50s... it has almost no value. It would likely be a trade of the 42 and cash to move up. There are guys that have big upside that do not have substance abuse issues. I like Richaun Holmes, Rakeem Christmas, Cliff Alexander, Chris McCullough and Delon Wright (he could be an early second rounder... has no buzz right now at all)
 
I remember Upshaw when the U played them in SLC and he looked like their best player by far and then a week or two later dismissed from the team which we found was more drug related issues.

On one hand the talent is tantalizing but on the other the knuckleheadedness is off the charts, hard to put trust into someone kicked out of 2 different schools for drug related issues. Would take a strong management, strong coach and a strong locker room with some strong vets to take that leap of faith.
 
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