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I don't know what she said, but there is nothing wrong with calling for private companies not to sell something. If I had such a business, I wouldn't sell the Confederate flag as I think it is a racist symbol. It is my morality and my choice.

There is a difference between the government banning private citizens from owning/selling the flag, which I believe is a violation of the first amendment, and is an ineffective way of battling the problem, and calling into question the morality of such action, which is absolutely the right way to induce change.

Agreed. Isn't the American flag just a racist, maybe even more?

In our super-sensitive, social-media driven world that we live in, the government (I know Hillary is not the government), suggesting that a perfectly legal item shouldn't be sold to the public is effectively banning it.
 
I love how both liberals and conservatives only give a **** about cultural preservation when it suits them. Cultures are, by their nature, susceptible to change, and even disappearance, through interaction with other cultures. There is nothing positive about the forceful preservation of any culture, be it liberals' absurd fondness of anything non-Western, or conservatives' desperate attachment to reactionary ideals. If a culture cannot survive the pressure from the free market of ideas, then so be it.

can you please explain to me why they want statue of lee gone. but not of the 12 presidents who personally owned slaves.
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, J, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren,William Henry Harrison, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Andrew Johnson, Ulysses S. Grant.

8 of those owned slaves while in office.
ofcourse slavery is wrong. but now we seem to be judging people who lived in those times by todays standards in the case of Robert E. Lee and his cohorts.

they want those statues gone. but they dont want the others gone. it just annoys me this hypocritical crap while committing cultural genocide


edit: ofcourse there is revisionist history that lee was opposed to slavery so h could be an "honorable symbol" of southern heritage.
there is evidence for and against this theory. but now after 150 years we could not know.
and history is always written by the victors.
on antoher side the stories passed down by people who fought for the south should also be considered as somewhat true.


as some stories go he did not technically own slaves he inherited a plantation with slaves. and freed them before the Emancipation Proclamation was issued. some say it was only then.


but why judge him for having slaves while 12 other rpesidents have and they all have statues and some of these slave owners are even on money
 
Agreed. Isn't the American flag just a racist, maybe even more?

In our super-sensitive, social-media driven world that we live in, the government (I know Hillary is not the government), suggesting that a perfectly legal item shouldn't be sold to the public is effectively banning it.

How is the American flag just as racist? The Confederate flag represented the losing side of a war AGAINST the united states over (if in part) the issue of slavery. It's the flag of the pro-slavers side that lost the war.

And she has the right to say that selling the flag is wrong. She is an American citizen with the full rights it entails. The fact her voice has power is irrelevant.
 
How is the American flag just as racist? The Confederate flag represented the losing side of a war AGAINST the united states over (if in part) the issue of slavery. It's the flag of the pro-slavers side that lost the war.

And she has the right to say that selling the flag is wrong. She is an American citizen with the full rights it entails. The fact her voice has power is irrelevant.

We conducted slavery operations under the American flag before we ever had a confederacy.
 
We conducted slavery operations under the American flag before we ever had a confederacy.

But that chapter was concluded with the civil war. The side that wanted slavery to continue carried the Confederate flag, and lost. The Union wanted slavery abolished, they carried the American flag, and won. It's really quite simple.
 
How is the American flag just as racist? The Confederate flag represented the losing side of a war AGAINST the united states over (if in part) the issue of slavery. It's the flag of the pro-slavers side that lost the war.

And she has the right to say that selling the flag is wrong. She is an American citizen with the full rights it entails. The fact her voice has power is irrelevant.

Turn on the news, we're a racist country.

I'm not arguing Hillary doesn't have that right. I don't care what Hillary says. The intent of my post was to simply question Thriller's assertion that nobody is calling for a ban.
 
Turn on the news, we're a racist country.

I'm not arguing Hillary doesn't have that right. I don't care what Hillary says. The intent of my post was to simply question Thriller's assertion that nobody is calling for a ban.

What is your point then? The Thriller can't account for every person's opinion, and challenging his assertion is pointless. I'm sure SOMEONE would like to see it banned. But it is not the argument at hand. Neither is there a point to saying that the country is racist. Some people are racist, some people aren't. More people were racist in the past. Things change.
 
What is your point then? The Thriller can't account for every person's opinion, and challenging his assertion is pointless. I'm sure SOMEONE would like to see it banned. But it is not the argument at hand. Neither is there a point to saying that the country is racist. Some people are racist, some people aren't. More people were racist in the past. Things change.

If the measuring stick is having racist people in a country makes that country racist than every country on earth that has, does or will ever exist is racist.

I'm with you on this Siro.

Also for the record, Hillary suggesting a ban is not the same as the gov. banning it. Even if the President came out and says "we should ban this" that is not the same as a ban. It can still be sold and bought.
 
If the measuring stick is having racist people in a country makes that country racist than every country on earth that has, does or will ever exist is racist.

I'm with you on this Siro.

Also for the record, Hillary suggesting a ban is not the same as the gov. banning it. Even if the President came out and says "we should ban this" that is not the same as a ban. It can still be sold and bought.

Agreed. However I would be actively opposed to any legislative attempt to ban it as I don't think they have the constitutional authority to do that.
 
What is your point then? The Thriller can't account for every person's opinion, and challenging his assertion is pointless. I'm sure SOMEONE would like to see it banned. But it is not the argument at hand. Neither is there a point to saying that the country is racist. Some people are racist, some people aren't. More people were racist in the past. Things change.

I stated what my point was. If you want to make it into something else, go ahead. I don't care.

I also don't care that you wouldn't sell the confederate flag. If you're also saying that you wouldn't sell anything that is considered racist by some, you'd better have a lot of ink, the list is going to be long.
 
Agreed. However I would be actively opposed to any legislative attempt to ban it as I don't think they have the constitutional authority to do that.

As would I.

But I am in favor of removing the confederate flag from city, county and state gov. property. But let the citizens buy and display it if they wish.
 
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