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I wonder why nobody made a thread about the school shooting in Chicago a couple of days ago.
I’m sure you’re trying to make a really clever point of some kind here, but it’s worth considering that school shootings are so commonplace in this country that it’s gotten to the point where only the ones with a high body count break through into public consciousness.
 
Armed police aren’t a deterrent for these shooters. I don’t know why this keeps being brought up as a solution. While this kid was taken alive, mass shooters go on their rampages knowing there’s a high possibility they aren’t going to survive it. In fact many intend not to. It’s incredibly frustrating that the solution (or the closest thing to one) is staring us in the face, as evidenced by us being the only nation where this kind of thing occurs on a regular basis, and we as a society are paralyzed from even taking steps in that direction.

Do you believe all unproven myths you read in newspaper columns? Around my area, 3 armed guards would deter almost any type of mass shooting outside of death by cop idiots (the majority as you said). Those idiots would displace their mode of killing if that or more gun control were enacted. And we can have both more gun control and more security in schools. So please stop trying to pigeonhole the discussion with ungrounded claims and acting like every pro-gun ownership person is a plague. Most of us want more gun control measures. The NRA was one of the first to call for more measures after a major shooting a while back. I believe AR-15's will be banned, and I couldn't care less, but the reasoning will likely only make school shootings more accurate and deadly so careful where you tread.
 
We all understand that Santa Fe had two armed School guards and Parkland had one, right?

Plus, this isn’t just about schools. It about churches, theaters, malls, urban communities, and how Americans end their own lives.

We have a gun violence problem that the rest of the industrialized world has learned to resolve.

Attempting to narrow the scope of gun safety to focus just on schools is another diversionary tactic of the NRA and gun nuts. Their refusal to actually promote sane gun safety laws supported by the majority in our democracy is going to be their undoing. And the gop really wants to hitch its wagon to that group of losers?

The longer the gop waits to tackle this problem the more momentum democrats are going to gain over the next few years. Do republicans really want to be on the wrong side of history... again??? Gun violence is becoming a major political issue and one party is quickly losing its fear of the NRA. I expect it to be one of the deciding issues when we retake the House this fall.
 
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10 dead, 10 injured in Texas school shooting. Somebody here said that massive shootings in Texas are unlikely due to high amount of gun ownership. Well, I will repeat again, mass shooting are not only highly unlikely but pretty much never happen in countries with strict gun laws. How such an advanced nation keeps protecting outdated 300 year old 2d amendment instead of innocent people is beyond my understanding.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/us/school-shooting-santa-fe-texas.html
Don't get me going on this. The utter stupidity, no insanity of this is mind-boggling. The gun lobby (NRA) is so powerful. I don't understand the political motivation behind this. The gun industry can't be that big, can it, or is it somehow tied into the defense industry? The utter glorification and almost deification of the military is just as insane. Yet people accept it; people accept the nonsense that the cultures in the Middle East are a threat to our nation, when the only the threat they pose is caused by our intrusion into their culture and our attempt to subjugate them.
 
Fair warning: I’m going to make this post and then probably never open this thread again. If I do, the likelihood of me responding is slim to none. It’s a pointless exercise in futility based on who I’ve seen in here.
For those arguing the 2nd Amendment is outdated and to be revoked/drastically changed: it was made the same time as the 1st Amendment. Is it also outdated? Should it be revoked/drastically changed?
Can we not recognize that a 17 year old in possession of a firearm is illegal?Specifically, how do YOU propose we “keep guns out of the hands of criminals”?
Do you honestly believe “strict gun laws” are the answer? Please cite statistics to back up your claim. From here in America, since that’s where we are talking about.

For the record, I do favor gun reform. It is too easy to obtain a firearm in this country. IMO, no private sales should be allowed. Everything should have to go through a licensed dealer. I would be in favor of waiting periods, stronger and universal background checks. It probably wouldn’t be hard to convince me that a magazine size limit is a good idea. There is no reason an ordinary citizen needs a fully automatic weapon. Bump stocks should have been outlawed from the start.
 
Good. My point proved. That's kinda a half decent roll job from a pathetic person looking for attention.

Why don't you go watch some fireworks and go
Smoke another.
Actually that was advice. If you want to have a dialogue with people, beginning posts with obvious nonsense like that is a great way to undermine that.

Anyway I went back to read what you wrote and realized my instincts were right. You completely mischaracterized what I wrote, and addressed points I didn't bring up. I didn't say a damn thing about people who are pro gun, and didn't insinuate anything about them being a plague.

You don't seem like someone who is acting in good faith so I will refrain from replying to you in the future, and would ask the same of you in return.
 
After the Croatian war ended in 1995, a perfect storm of conditions led to a huge rise in violent bank robberies. You had a country with a very low rate of gun ownership that just went through a war. A lot of people simply never returned their weapons after the war. Obviously, those people knew how to use them, too, having had 4 years of practice. Those same people also sometimes had PTSD. The country was poor, but undergoing that awkward transition from command to market economy, with everything suddenly being available, but there being little money for most people to buy it. There was also a generation of young me in their early 20s who were drafted straight out of high school with little education and even fewer skills to live in a civilian society. Remember that this being a massive war of independence, it wasn't like decommissioned soldiers were some small segment of the society. Most young men saw military service in some shape or form.

So naturally, some of these young men started robbing banks. And not with a not they passed to a teller while having a bulge under their coat that my or may not be a handgun. These guys would show up with assault rifles, fire a few warning rounds in the air and be out of there before cops have a chance to show up. So the banks resorted to hiring private security. I remember them well. Massively built guys in their 20s with a red beret and military-looking fatigues standing in the vestibule, with a 9mm in a holster. Scary looking guys, but pretty soon, the would-be robbers figured out that obviously, private security can't shoot first. They're there to stop shooters. So, of course, the decommissioned soldiers robbing banks started shooting these poor private security guys. Between 2003 and 2009, almost a dozen were killed. In two of these cases, banks had two security guards. In both cases, they were both killed. Fully-automatics, no warning, just walked in, emptied a few clips into these guys. In one case, a bank had no security guard, but 5 cops accidentally walked into the bank during the robbery. The single robber killed one and wounded the other 4 before escaping. How? Simple. The cops didn't walk in with their guns drawn because they weren't there because of the robbery. They had no idea, so the shooter shot first. By the time they responded, he had escaped, but not before shooting every one of them. AK-47. Never jams, never fails, as former soldiers liked to say when I was a kid.

You can have an armed guard at the school. You can have two. These shootings tend to be planned. The shooters will simply plan for killing the guards first. It's not that hard, since they can't fire first. Or you don't have to kill them. Mass shooters these days generally don't plan to survive. If the police officer is in their office, just go to a hallway on the other end of the school and shoot until they show up.
 
One thing I wondered last night, and I’ll get laughed off the board for this, and I’m not saying there is a correlation, but I wonder, has to do with the sharp decline of manufacturing jobs in this country over the last 20 or so years. I’m sure it began prior to that but it’s continued for years now.

I don’t have time to explain my thought process right now but in short, it has to do with disillusionment.
 
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Fair warning: I’m going to make this post and then probably never open this thread again. If I do, the likelihood of me responding is slim to none. It’s a pointless exercise in futility based on who I’ve seen in here.
For those arguing the 2nd Amendment is outdated and to be revoked/drastically changed: it was made the same time as the 1st Amendment. Is it also outdated? Should it be revoked/drastically changed?
Can we not recognize that a 17 year old in possession of a firearm is illegal?Specifically, how do YOU propose we “keep guns out of the hands of criminals”?
Do you honestly believe “strict gun laws” are the answer? Please cite statistics to back up your claim. From here in America, since that’s where we are talking about.

For the record, I do favor gun reform. It is too easy to obtain a firearm in this country. IMO, no private sales should be allowed. Everything should have to go through a licensed dealer. I would be in favor of waiting periods, stronger and universal background checks. It probably wouldn’t be hard to convince me that a magazine size limit is a good idea. There is no reason an ordinary citizen needs a fully automatic weapon. Bump stocks should have been outlawed from the start.

I'm not sure a kid possessing a firearm is outright illegal, and don't think it should be outright. Parents need to be more responsible about access when their children act like little psychos.

I grew up chopping firewood at 5 and starting the morning fire at 6 a.m. with my 7 year old brother. We mowed the lawn at 7 y.o. I got my first gun at 12. That was determined and justified for myself and all my competent siblings by our parents. But do you think I'll do the same with my kids who don't have anywhere near the same competent demeanor? Hell no.

The access issue looks to me like bad parents not noticing when there kids are psychos and doing something about it or being too exhausted from dealing with a problem child to prevent these trajedies.
 
The hole we've dug with firearms is simply too deep at this point. You can ban all firearms entirely from sale but there's millions of them out there. If someone wants one, they can get one. There's more guns than people in America.

I see firearms sold all the time on local want ads here. No regulation, no checks, just exchanged for cold hard bills.

The violence isn't going to stop in our lifetimes. Yes, we should pass meaningful reform and only allow licensed dealers with comprehensive background checks, ban on assault rifles to the general public, and the NRA and special interests outside of politicians pockets. Those are common sense things; they alone won't stop the flood when the dam broke long ago.

This is America.
 
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