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One Brow

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So Hannity isn’t on the right,
You didn't say "on the left", you said "the left". Olbermann is not "the left", but he is on the left. Hannity is not "the right", but he is on the right.

I would assume you just forgot to type in the preposition "on", except your sentence would make no sense grammatically. I should probably assume that nonetheless.

Did I say Mayor Adams talked about harassment? Did I say Mayor Adams talked about changing the court? Nope didn’t.
So, you offered the video as a counter-example to your own sentence? That's an interesting conversational strategy.

That video was him stating he would do everything he can to fight against this ruling., legally.
Agreed.

I’m was stating history of the left’s harassment and political murder attempts(baseball and kavanaugh).
Does every Proud Boy protesting outside a library constitute "the right"? They're not even mentally ill, unlike the men you refer to. Or, are you OK with "the right" harassing and attempts at political murder because you agree with them?

Maybe States should have laws about harassment, like DeSantis just signed, to stop this ridiculousness. That’s on Youngkin.
I searched on "desantis harassment law" and didn't see any articles about harassment laws. To what do you refer?
 


Bucknutz

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You didn't say "on the left", you said "the left". Olbermann is not "the left", but he is on the left. Hannity is not "the right", but he is on the right.

I would assume you just forgot to type in the preposition "on", except your sentence would make no sense grammatically. I should probably assume that nonetheless.
The left or on the left is the same thing to me.
So is Stacey Abrams the left or on the left since she does not hold an office? Does she have political power? Seems like your argument is subjective?
So, you offered the video as a counter-example to your own sentence? That's an interesting conversational strategy.
Not a counter example, an example to show the left will fight against a ruling from the Supreme Court that supports the 2a.
Agreed.


Does every Proud Boy protesting outside a library constitute "the right"? They're not even mentally ill, unlike the men you refer to. Or, are you OK with "the right" harassing and attempts at political murder because you agree with them?
The proud boys are not even mentally ill, unlike the men you refer to? Adams and Keith are mentally ill? Do you want to clean up that statement before I respond.

I don’t follow extreme groups on either side. Proud boys sound like they are extremists on the right. They still get a voice and I believe in peaceful protests, not harassment. So if they were harassing or violent with people, **** them.

I’m not ok with any harassment or political murder attempts.

Are you okay with the left harassing people on the right?


View: https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1538343357478584321?s=21&t=Oo_JfyNmUnw9WO8WrTqTwQ

I searched on "desantis harassment law" and didn't see any articles about harassment laws. To what do you refer?
 

One Brow

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The left or on the left is the same thing to me.
So is Stacey Abrams the left or on the left since she does not hold an office? Does she have political power? Seems like your argument is subjective?
She holds some political power (she got a lot of votes in 2018), and seems to have influence on Democratic party in Georgia in a way that Olbermann/Hannity do not influence their preferred parties. It's not subjective, but I do recognize there are degrees of power.

Not a counter example, an example to show the left will fight against a ruling from the Supreme Court that supports the 2a.
Well, sure. that's what politicians of all political stripes do with court rulings they don't like. I will assume for now you are aware I can easily present a dozen or so court rulings that the right hates and tries to fight against. Is the right in the wrong for so doing?

The proud boys are not even mentally ill, unlike the men you refer to? Adams and Keith are mentally ill? Do you want to clean up that statement before I respond.
I was referring to Hodgkinson and Roske (the baseball shooter and the guy outside Kavanaugh's home) as mentally ill. You can see that in the way Hodgkinson's life was falling apart before the shooting, while Roske directly told the 911 operator of his issues when he walked away from Kavanaugh's home. The Proud Boys don't have that excuse.

I don’t follow extreme groups on either side.
Good for you. However, you seem to have no trouble grouping in the extremist left people with "the left", while going out of your way to distance yourself from the extremist right. The Proud Boys, Gendron (Buffalo mass murderer), Cruz (Stoneman-Douglas High shooter), etc. are every bit as much a part of the right as Hodkinson is a part of the left.

Also, if you don't want to follow extremists, you should probably block Andy Ngo from your twitter feeds. He deliberately embeds himself with people instigating violence, records the results when the agitatees respond to the violence, and claims the instigators are being attacked. He's an extremist journalist.

Are you okay with the left harassing people on the right?
Absolutely not.


Send him to jail. Just don't pretend he represent the left any more than the Proud boys represent the right.

Thank you. Hopefully this will protect election workers as well as judges.
 

Bucknutz

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She holds some political power (she got a lot of votes in 2018), and seems to have influence on Democratic party in Georgia in a way that Olbermann/Hannity do not influence their preferred parties. It's not subjective, but I do recognize there are degrees of power.
So Tucker doesn’t have more influence than Mitt on the right, since he doesn’t hold an office or have political power? Please define this because Thriller needs to learn this as well. Since you don’t rush to comment on his posts.
Well, sure. that's what politicians of all political stripes do with court rulings they don't like. I will assume for now you are aware I can easily present a dozen or so court rulings that the right hates and tries to fight against. Is the right in the wrong for so doing?
Didn’t say it was right or wrong. All I did was add it in the post to show the fight. Did you comment on they way the right was so upset and try to fight the Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare? Or did you keep silent about it?
I was referring to Hodgkinson and Roske (the baseball shooter and the guy outside Kavanaugh's home) as mentally ill. You can see that in the way Hodgkinson's life was falling apart before the shooting, while Roske directly told the 911 operator of his issues when he walked away from Kavanaugh's home. The Proud Boys don't have that excuse.
How do you know this? They could be mentally unhealthy at the moment. Maybe being a part of a crazy group brings them purpose.
Good for you. However, you seem to have no trouble grouping in the extremist left people with "the left", while going out of your way to distance yourself from the extremist right. The Proud Boys, Gendron (Buffalo mass murderer), Cruz (Stoneman-Douglas High shooter), etc. are every bit as much a part of the right as Hodkinson is a part of the left.
The reason I am lumping these groups together is the majority of the posters in this thread always lump the right together with right extremists and distance from the left extremists.
This is what AL has been saying as well. Yet you don’t point this out to the other posters. I believe it’s because you have the same political beliefs.
Also, if you don't want to follow extremists, you should probably block Andy Ngo from your twitter feeds. He deliberately embeds himself with people instigating violence, records the results when the agitatees respond to the violence, and claims the instigators are being attacked. He's an extremist journalist.
I know of him but don’t follow him. A twitter search for “left harassment and left violence” brought up a ton of videos. There are extremists on both sides. That is the point I keep making.

Absolutely not.


Send him to jail. Just don't pretend he represent the left any more than the Proud boys represent the right.
I don’t. I don’t believe either sides extremists represents their side. Once again, I can provide many posts in this forum that lumps right extremists with the right. It’s just intellectually dishonest..
I am happy that you agree that proud boys do not represent the right any more than the left extremists represent the left.
Thank you. Hopefully this will protect election workers as well as judges.
I agree. I wish more states had these laws. Especially in Maryland and Virginia all the politicians there. I will have the same stance on this if AOC was being harassed this way.
 

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So the 2nd amendment. I notice it says a well REGULATED militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
What does "well regulated" mean? Does that mean that the 2nd amendment is saying that there should be restrictions (regulations) on gun rights?
Also, what does it mean by "militia"? I own a couple of guns and they are not regulated (they were both given to me without any background check or anything) and I dont belong to a militia.
What gives?
Also, I wonder if they were referring to a certain type of gun that was used in that day and age. Like a muzzle loader musket or something. I bet if the people who wrote the 2nd amendment could see what came from it they would have some regrets.
I saw a statistic that in england there are 7.7 murders per 1 million people and in the US it was like 90 something murders per 1 million people. And the percentage of murders in the US was like 79% from guns. I always here the argument that if someone wants to kill someone then they will find a way to even if they dont have a gun to do it. They will stab or run people over or whatever. The numbers dont support that though. Seems like guns are way more effective and used more frequently to murder someone than other ways of killing (which seems obvious since the whole reason a gun exists is to kill but knives and cars were made for other reasons, thought they certainly can be used to kill). Im sure if you put suicides into the numbers then it would look way worse for the US in the comparison than it already does.

I dont think anything much can be done at this point. There are like 400 million guns in civilians homes and something like 20 million are bought and sold each year so at this point we are pretty much ****ed. Its too late to do much. But I do get sick of hearing that guns aren't the problem when they clearly are.
 
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So the 2nd amendment. I notice it says a well REGULATED militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
What does "well regulated" mean? Does that mean that the 2nd amendment is saying that there should be restrictions (regulations) on gun rights?
Also, what does it mean by "militia"? I own a couple of guns and they are not regulated (they were both given to me without any background check or anything) and I dont belong to a militia.
What gives?
Also, I wonder if they were referring to a certain type of gun that was used in that day and age. Like a muzzle loader musket or something. I bet if the people who wrote the 2nd amendment could see what came from it they would have some regrets.
I saw a statistic that in england there are 7.7 murders per 1 million people and in the US it was like 90 something murders per 1 million people. And the percentage of murders in the US was like 79% from guns. I always here the argument that if someone wants to kill someone then they will find a way to even if they dont have a gun to do it. They will stab or run people over or whatever. The numbers dont support that though. Seems like guns are way more effective and used more frequently to murder someone than other ways of killing (which seems obvious since the whole reason a gun exists is to kill but knives and cars were made for other reasons, thought they certainly can be used to kill). Im sure if you put suicides into the numbers then it would look way worse for the US in the comparison than it already does.

I dont think anything much can be done at this point. There are like 400 million guns in civilians homes and something like 20 million are bought and sold each year so at this point we are pretty much ****ed. Its too late to do much. But I do get sick of hearing that guns aren't the problem when they clearly are.
Regulated did mean something slightly different in the context of a militia. Military "regulars" was a common term at the time and it didn't mean they were average or basic, it meant that they were "well regulated." That essentially meant well trained, well equipped and well disciplined.

I had a novel concept that is nothing more than something I had some fun thinking about enacting the 2nd in a very literal sense. I called it the "Militia System" and in order to have arms you had to be a member of a militia and that militia would actually be in control of all the arms of the militia and would have to maintain an armory where the arms were held under normal circumstances. Arms could be checked out for practice or training or they could be issued in times of emergency, but members couldn't just generally keep arms at their house. The militia would need to show that they engaged in active training of their members and worked to keep their militia "well regulated." The armory would have to be available for inspection at any time and militias not in compliance with regulations would be subject to penalties and/or dissolvement.
 

One Brow

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So the 2nd amendment. I notice it says a well REGULATED militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
What does "well regulated" mean?
At this point, in the context of the 2nd Amendment, nothing. This clause has been deemed irrelevant for the interpretation of the Constitution.
 

One Brow

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Once again, I can provide many posts in this forum that lumps right extremists with the right. It’s just intellectually dishonest..
I'm guessing this sentence forms your principal complaint. I agree with you to an extent. People get violent in support of their political goals, and this does happen all over the political map.

I'm not going over the rest of your post point-by-point, for various reasons, despite my disagreements.
 

Red

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I've lived in an autocracy with a king, and secret police, and everything down to what photographs you were taking being subject to oversight.
I don’t care if you were held in a Chinese reeducation camp for 20 years, there is no excuse for failing to recognize the trends toward autocracy here in our own country…


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Al-O-Meter

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As much as I disapprove of his jurisprudence, I truly doubt that Alito is so dumb that he doesn't know the difference between NY state and NYC.
On the bright side, at least your instincts on Alito knowing the difference between NY state and NYC are likely correct. Too bad you didn't bother to double check your own incorrect impression over where the concealed carry "proper cause" restriction, which was the central component of this case, was in effect.

As an example, you can still find the old form up on the Onondaga County Sheriff's website: https://sheriff.ongov.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/propercauseforconcealedcarry.pdf
 


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