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Al-O-Meter said:
Because by definition it is homicide and we as a society should have a say over it. As you are always crying over muh democracy, I find it interesting how demonstrably fake those cries are in light of you wanting to exclude the legislators (the most democratic branch in the entire government) from enacting the will of the people.
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Do you have a daughter?
 
Al-O-Meter said:
Because by definition it is homicide and we as a society should have a say over it. As you are always crying over muh democracy, I find it interesting how demonstrably fake those cries are in light of you wanting to exclude the legislators (the most democratic branch in the entire government) from enacting the will of the people.
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The problem is there is no legal statute that identifies an unborn fetus as a person with all the inherent rights. So in the eyes of the law, it is not homicide.

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n. the killing of a human being due to the act or omission of another. Included among homicides are murder and manslaughter, but not all homicides are a crime, particularly when there is a lack of criminal intent.
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Definitely no criminal intent in abortion. And a fetus does not have legal personhood.

From the 14th amendment, the protections apply to those BORN in the United States. Nothing mentioned of unborn. That is the huge debate now that Roe has been overturned, and assigning a fetus "personhood" opens a whole other can of worms, like now they should be able to be included on someone's taxes. They should be able to get a social security number.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
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Individual states are setting their own personhood laws, but that is a sticky wicket. They are mostly being challenged in court as well.

So no, abortion is not clearly an act of homicide, legally speaking.


Now whether it is killing a human being, that is another story and debate altogether, with opinions that run the gamut from conception = human being all the way to late-term-abortions = not a human being to fetus = parasite. With no scientific consensus on when life becomes human, we are left to the fickle bog of public opinion.
 
The Thriller said:
As if Trump has ever been coherent in the last 5 years?
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I have no trouble following Trump when I listen to him talking, but pulling out just the text without the vocal emphases, the pauses, the tone, etc. does come across as word salad. He's coherent, but doesn't stay on message well. It's the message that I feel lacks internal coherence.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The problem is there is no legal statute that identifies an unborn fetus as a person with all the inherent rights. So in the eyes of the law, it is not homicide.
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In the eyes of the law it is not murder or manslaughter. It is still homicide. Re-read the definition you posted. Abortion is a homicide that is not a crime (as of 2022).
 
Bucknutz said:
Once again not showing the full context of his statement. He is talking about abortion laws through the state, not national by having women and doctors consult with lawmakers in making laws.


View: https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1585080011857760257?s=46&t=9BSJFZG88zQuH76XjTR05g

Do you ever try to be honest when posting?
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So he doesnt want national politicians involved with womens decisions but he does want local political leaders involved? I dont see how that is better.

Seems like the other dude having recently suffered a stroke was some context left out of that other fracking clip fwiw


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Al-O-Meter said:
In the eyes of the law it is not murder or manslaughter. It is still homicide. Re-read the definition you posted. Abortion is a homicide that is not a crime (as of 2022).
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Only if you assume a legal status as a "human being" for a fetus, which is not established across all states nor supported by the constitution. It cannot be homicide of any kind if it isn't a human being. You obviously ignored the rest of my post which explained exactly that.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
In the eyes of the law it is not murder or manslaughter. It is still homicide. Re-read the definition you posted. Abortion is a homicide that is not a crime (as of 2022).
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If a fetus is fully a human being, then it has no right to stay attached to the uterus of another person.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Only if you assume a legal status as a "human being" for a fetus, which is not established across all states nor supported by the constitution. It cannot be homicide of any kind if it isn't a human being. You obviously ignored the rest of my post which explained exactly that.
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The term "homicide" is not a legal term. Legal statuses are only important for determining if a thing is a crime. Legal status is required to determine murder or manslaughter, not homicide.

If I had said that abortion is murder, then you could have responded with the legal status argument. I specifically chose the word homicide on purpose. It doesn't matter if the courts have decided to recognize the rights of algae when determining if the stuff I'm pouring in my pool is algicide. All that matters is that it kills algae. You can sit and pound away at that square peg atop a round hole all you want but abortion is homicide.
 
fishonjazz said:
So he doesnt want national politicians involved with womens decisions but he does want local political leaders involved? I dont see how that is better.

Seems like the other dude having recently suffered a stroke was some context left out of that other fracking clip fwiw


Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app
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My wife became pregnant shortly after Roe was overturned. We were in the 1st trimester this summer and were really concerned with her health issues (she has a pretty extensive medical history) along with the fetus's while red states climbed over each other trying to come up with the most restrictive laws as possible. How has her life been improved by red states doing this? If Utah joined in this race, how would our lives have been improved, forcing us to drive to Colorado or California for health care? Would driving to Canada have been better? I don't know, probably not. You know what would've improved our lives (and countless others), keeping the status quo of Roe v Wade. It had gave women a good amount of autonomy with their bodies and then provided the fetus with protections, especially for the 3rd trimester.

What was wrong with the status quo?

Other than Supreme Court Republicans (the dog) finally caught the car?
 
Al-O-Meter said:
The term "homicide" is not a legal term. Legal statuses are only important for determining if a thing is a crime. Legal status is required to determine murder or manslaughter, not homicide.

If I had said that abortion is murder, then you could have responded with the legal status argument. I specifically chose the word homicide on purpose. It doesn't matter if the courts have decided to recognize the rights of algae when determining if the stuff I'm pouring in my pool is algicide. All that matters is that it kills algae. You can sit and pound away at that square peg atop a round hole all you want but abortion is homicide.
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Look at you and your cute semantics. Twist away my friend, twist away.

What Is Murder? Is Murder Different From Homicide?

The crime of murder explained, how it relates to homicides, and examples and discussion of punishment.
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Homicide is a legal term for any killing of a human being by another human being. Homicide itself is not necessarily a crime—for instance, a justifiable killing of a suspect by the police or a killing in self-defense. Murder and manslaughter fall under the category of unlawful homicides.
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Hmm.
 
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