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Is this the type of country we want to live in?



I’m glad Youngkin has heard the cries of the economically depressed and is tackling real issues to help improve the lives of countless “forgotten men.” /s
 
Is this the type of country we want to live in?


You mean a country where parents have a voice in how their children are educated? Yes, that is exactly the type of country we want to live in. Even Democrats are finally waking up to this after Terry McAuliffe blew up his campaign by saying "I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach."

It was only about a week ago the Michigan Democrat Party posted on their official Facebook:
"Not sure where this ‘parents-should-control-what-is-taught-in-schools-because-they-are-our-kids’ is originating, but parents do have the option to send their kids to a hand-selected private school at their own expense if this is what they desire. The purpose of public education in public schools is not to teach kids only what parents want them to be taught. It is to teach them what society needs them to know. The client of the public school is not the parent, but the entire community, the public."
-Michigan Democrat Party

The Michigan GOP was nice enough to help the Michigan Democrats get their message out.


Curiously, the Michigan Democrat Party changed their mind. Their original post was deleted and replace with:
"We have deleted a post that ignored the important role parents play—and should play—in Michigan public schools. Parents need to have a say in their children’s education, end of story. The post does not reflect the views of Michigan Democrats and should not be misinterpreted as a statement of support from our elected officials or candidates."
-Michigan Democrat Party

Thriller, if you want to see Democrats go down in flames then bemoaning that parents should have no way of communicating concerns over their child's education is exactly the policy you are looking for. Carry on.
 


This is a good tweet and the Post story is outstanding. Intimidating teachers from teaching real history to instead teach a revisionist fake history where we avoid teaching about systemic racism, the Holocaust, and anything that makes white conservatives feel uncomfortable is not a sign of a healthy democracy; but of an authoritarian country.
 
You mean a country where parents have a voice in how their children are educated? Yes, that is exactly the type of country we want to live in. Even Democrats are finally waking up to this after Terry McAuliffe blew up his campaign by saying "I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach."

It was only about a week ago the Michigan Democrat Party posted on their official Facebook:


The Michigan GOP was nice enough to help the Michigan Democrats get their message out.


Curiously, the Michigan Democrat Party changed their mind. Their original post was deleted and replace with:


Thriller, if you want to see Democrats go down in flames then bemoaning that parents should have no way of communicating concerns over their child's education is exactly the policy you are looking for. Carry on.

Admitting you don't know that state and local school boards exist would've been easier to write.
 
Parent's should absolutely have a say in what children are taught. However this is a delicate and fine line, as it is easy for parents to overwhelm the system and ensure that garbage is taught to the kids because it fits their dogma. It is, of course, possible to swing the pendulum entirely the other way and indoctrinate kids rather than teach them. When these topics stray from the facts and into the realm of opinion, all too often there is no dissenting view, especially in a classroom by necessity dominated by a single voice. We need the checks and balances that a voice from the parent's affords us, without entirely caving to one sides doctrine vs another. Unfortunately in these cases the true casualties are truth and facts substituted with doctrine and dogma.

My daughter, in Jr. High, was asked by her social studies teacher during their section on American politics, to write a letter to then President Bush expressing that she did not support the war. She wrote a letter expressing her opinion that the war should continue as long as it was just and had a clear outcome in mind. We had discussed the topic often in our house and I encouraged the kids to read about these things and form their own opinions, and all of my kids often came to different views on the current events we looked at. She turned in her letter and got her grade back as an "F". When we talked to the teacher she said the assignment was to show that we do not support the war. We had to go to the school board to get the grade over-turned, as the principal agreed with the teacher that we have to teach the kids what is right and wrong in politics as well as in other school subjects. And in their view the war was wrong so that is what must be taught. It turns out of the 60-odd kids she had write the letters, about 1/4 wrote something different than she intended, all got "F" grades, and yet parents of only 3 kids came forward to contest what was being "taught" with this assignment. The grades were overturned, and she found some excuse to miraculously give all the kids she disagreed with "B" grades while all of them that wrote exactly what she wanted got "A" grades, at least from the ones we heard from which was a good chunk of the students overall since we got them all talking about it. We also found out later that she actually mailed all the letters that spoke out against the war, but none of the other letters were mailed.

This was not the only time we faced this kind of thing. My oldest son went to a technical college-prep charter high school in Utah. He had a science teacher who had to go over the section on evolution. He was a staunch very old-school mormon and when he taught it he pulled maybe 10% from the book and filled in the rest about how it was all garbage and God never intended for man to believe it. Someone else got wind of it and a parent again confronted the school. The teacher was not reprimanded or anything as far as we know, but they had a different teacher come in for that section and deliver the material straight from the book.

These are not isolated instances. You can see them all over the news, as some of the quotes above allude to.

This is all just indoctrination of our kids in one form or another, who more often than not do not know better than to trust their authority figures. It is compounded by how often a kid complains about a teacher and the parent just says "look they are the teacher, they are the authority, you have to listen to them", so we reinforce this relationship as parents more often than not. If the teachers are truly looking to get the kids thinking and forming opinions about these topics, that is great. If the first teacher above had asked them to read 3 articles from different sources and form an opinion and write a letter expressing that opinion then graded it on the depth of their research and a logical thought process that would be awesome as it would get them to consider dissenting viewpoints. But so often the teacher does not want dissenting views, they want to teach their own beliefs in a vacuum so the kids can learn what is "important to society" as they see fit. Therefore this kind of **** must be at a minimum tempered, but hopefully eradicated from our school system, from either side. And without parents having a voice this kind of stuff would largely go unchecked.
 
Parent's should absolutely have a say in what children are taught. However this is a delicate and fine line, as it is easy for parents to overwhelm the system and ensure that garbage is taught to the kids because it fits their dogma. It is, of course, possible to swing the pendulum entirely the other way and indoctrinate kids rather than teach them. When these topics stray from the facts and into the realm of opinion, all too often there is no dissenting view, especially in a classroom by necessity dominated by a single voice. We need the checks and balances that a voice from the parent's affords us, without entirely caving to one sides doctrine vs another. Unfortunately in these cases the true casualties are truth and facts substituted with doctrine and dogma.

My daughter, in Jr. High, was asked by her social studies teacher during their section on American politics, to write a letter to then President Bush expressing that she did not support the war. She wrote a letter expressing her opinion that the war should continue as long as it was just and had a clear outcome in mind. We had discussed the topic often in our house and I encouraged the kids to read about these things and form their own opinions, and all of my kids often came to different views on the current events we looked at. She turned in her letter and got her grade back as an "F". When we talked to the teacher she said the assignment was to show that we do not support the war. We had to go to the school board to get the grade over-turned, as the principal agreed with the teacher that we have to teach the kids what is right and wrong in politics as well as in other school subjects. And in their view the war was wrong so that is what must be taught. It turns out of the 60-odd kids she had write the letters, about 1/4 wrote something different than she intended, all got "F" grades, and yet parents of only 3 kids came forward to contest what was being "taught" with this assignment. The grades were overturned, and she found some excuse to miraculously give all the kids she disagreed with "B" grades while all of them that wrote exactly what she wanted got "A" grades, at least from the ones we heard from which was a good chunk of the students overall since we got them all talking about it. We also found out later that she actually mailed all the letters that spoke out against the war, but none of the other letters were mailed.

This was not the only time we faced this kind of thing. My oldest son went to a technical college-prep charter high school in Utah. He had a science teacher who had to go over the section on evolution. He was a staunch very old-school mormon and when he taught it he pulled maybe 10% from the book and filled in the rest about how it was all garbage and God never intended for man to believe it. Someone else got wind of it and a parent again confronted the school. The teacher was not reprimanded or anything as far as we know, but they had a different teacher come in for that section and deliver the material straight from the book.

These are not isolated instances. You can see them all over the news, as some of the quotes above allude to.

This is all just indoctrination of our kids in one form or another, who more often than not do not know better than to trust their authority figures. It is compounded by how often a kid complains about a teacher and the parent just says "look they are the teacher, they are the authority, you have to listen to them", so we reinforce this relationship as parents more often than not. If the teachers are truly looking to get the kids thinking and forming opinions about these topics, that is great. If the first teacher above had asked them to read 3 articles from different sources and form an opinion and write a letter expressing that opinion then graded it on the depth of their research and a logical thought process that would be awesome as it would get them to consider dissenting viewpoints. But so often the teacher does not want dissenting views, they want to teach their own beliefs in a vacuum so the kids can learn what is "important to society" as they see fit. Therefore this kind of **** must be at a minimum tempered, but hopefully eradicated from our school system, from either side. And without parents having a voice this kind of stuff would largely go unchecked.
Did you contact your local school board member about this assignment? Lessons need to match standards. Which, prior to Common Core, standards weren't as standardized as they are now. Something that conservatives fought against... Board members should know about these types of assignments.

Charters are nothing more than unregulated pseudo private religious schools using public funds so it doesn't surprise me that your son was taught religioscience and that nothing was done to change the teacher from teaching that.

One doesn't have to imagine how bad things will get if you add "tip lines" or "banning anything that makes white kids feel uncomfortable." That's going to have a chilling effect on education. I've already spoken to educators who are fearful about teaching about slavery, Jim Crow, or culture in foreign languages. History and Language Arts teachers in particular are just cutting lessons that are completely in alignment with standards and provide students good learning experiences. I spoke to one educator in Alpine School District who isn't going to read To Kill a Mockingbird anymore out of fear of being labeled a CRT Socialist. The book has been cleared by the district, the lesson is in alignment with the standards, the grade level is high school soooooooo what are we doing here?

It doesn't take much to silence educators into becoming mere tools of indoctrination. That is what Republicans are doing with their anti-CRT bills and anonymous tip lines.
 
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This was not the only time we faced this kind of thing. My oldest son went to a technical college-prep charter high school in Utah. He had a science teacher who had to go over the section on evolution. He was a staunch very old-school mormon and when he taught it he pulled maybe 10% from the book and filled in the rest about how it was all garbage and God never intended for man to believe it.
I spent one year at Cedar City High School and the teacher in that class taught us to diagram sentences with all sentences in the discussion and assigned work being pulled from the Bible. When I try to explain how small town schools are a completely different world from the Salt Lake valley that is one of my go-to examples even if it is on the tame end of just how different the school going experience is.
 
CNN has an article this morning proclaiming the economy isn't as bad as you think. There are four states who have fully regained the jobs lost during the pandemic! Of course every single one of them has a Republican governor. The article goes on to admit the biggest Democrat run states, California and New York, have only recovered 70% and 60% respectively of their pre-pandemic employment levels but at least we have a roadmap now: vote Democrats out and this pandemic is done!!!! Whoohoo!!! All we need is a good 2022 election with a follow-up in 2024 and once again it will be Morning in America.

 
As an educator or former educator, do you know if there is a form of dyslexia that makes it difficult for individuals to read the room?
Ad hominem attacks? How fitting.

I figured I'd cut to the chase instead of engaging in your bad usual faith arguments and hyperbole. If you have questions or complaints about curriculum, they need to be addressed by local and state school boards. There is a process for this. We are a republic not a democracy, at least that's what I've been told recently :) . Institutions need to be respected and process needs to be followed.

It's amazing how many Americans have no idea how their government works. It actually explains quite a lot frankly.
 
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If you have questions or complaints about curriculum, they need to be addressed by local and state school boards. There is a process for this. We are a republic not a democracy, at least that's what I've been told recently :) . Institutions need to be respected and process needs to be followed.
In a normally functioning government, yes. That is the way it should be done but in Virginia where Youngkin just enacted this channel for parents to express their concerns the government is not functioning normally. The schools, which are part of the executive branch, are not all accepting directives from the chief executive. They seem to have the impression that they are above or separate from the state government. They are not and Youngkin is preparing to make the moves necessary to get these rogue school districts to do their jobs. It will undoubtedly be a two-pronged approach of using the courts and making use of recorded messages from concerned parents to sway public opinion in election advertisements to get these bad board members voted out. Being that parents aren't only concerned about school board members, some of the recordings may get used against Democrats more broadly in the upcoming elections.

It is extremely shortsighted for Democrats to back these school boards and teacher's unions who openly dismiss parental input. I'm predicting Democrats will run from this the same way they are running away from 'defund the police'.
 
In a normally functioning government, yes. That is the way it should be done but in Virginia where Youngkin just enacted this channel for parents to express their concerns the government is not functioning normally. The schools, which are part of the executive branch, are not all accepting directives from the chief executive. They seem to have the impression that they are above or separate from the state government. They are not and Youngkin is preparing to make the moves necessary to get these rogue school districts to do their jobs. It will undoubtedly be a two-pronged approach of using the courts and making use of recorded messages from concerned parents to sway public opinion in election advertisements to get these bad board members voted out. Being that parents aren't only concerned about school board members, some of the recordings may get used against Democrats more broadly in the upcoming elections.

It is extremely shortsighted for Democrats to back these school boards and teacher's unions who openly dismiss parental input. I'm predicting Democrats will run from this the same way they are running away from 'defund the police'.
LOL! This is another hilarious spin of what's actually happening. I think you should create a separate thread, just as you've done before regarding the super important debate over the type of government we have, that specifically explains how governors get to dictate how public education works.

Again, just admitting that you have no idea how government works would be much easier.
 
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