That's what I was thinking but maybe in his mind clergy and political leaders will soon become one and the same.
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fishonjazz
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Oof. I would say my wife and daughter and their bodies definitely matter more to me than fracking. First I thought OZ won. Now I think the other guy won.
Well **** me. I just found out that Fetterman had a stroke a few months ago. I don't find that very funny.
Full disclosure, I made some posts earlier making fun of Fetterman's response as posted in the twitter clip and I deleted them because I didn't realize that he had a stroke and my "jokes" could have reasonably been seen as making fun of him based on that.
Full disclosure, I made some posts earlier making fun of Fetterman's response as posted in the twitter clip and I deleted them because I didn't realize that he had a stroke and my "jokes" could have reasonably been seen as making fun of him based on that.
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Bucknutz
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Once again not showing the full context of his statement. He is talking about abortion laws through the state, not national by having women and doctors consult with lawmakers in making laws.
View: https://twitter.com/annmarie/status/1585080011857760257?s=46&t=9BSJFZG88zQuH76XjTR05g
Do you ever try to be honest when posting?
He was a heart surgeon, right? The ****ing liar acts like he's been in the room with women making abortion decisions? Like women go to their heart surgeon to discuss their pregnancies.
Thanks for the context, I hadn't realized he exposed his phony *** once again when answering that question.
Bucknutz
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He didn’t say that. He just said he was in rooms that had difficult conversations happening and doesn’t want the federal government in those decisions. He did not say in rooms with abortion decisions.
fair enough, I read into it
Bucknutz
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I don’t even like Dr Oz but you’re making me defend him. Never really liked the guy and after reading about the dog abuse, I have no good feelings left about him.
Yeah I mean I already admitted I leaned too far on that making assumptions about what he was saying.
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Oh weird. So we shouldn’t base our opinions on candidates on 20 second out of context clips? What a concept.
It feels a little disingenuous that those who worship Trump and have no qualms with Herschel Walker are now suddenly concerned that a man recovering from a stroke struggled in a tv debate with a celebrity tv star. As if Trump has ever been coherent in the last 5 years?
I don’t think we really need a debate to know who the better candidate is. One believes in democracy, has worked in the legislative process before, and lives in PA and the other is a NJ tv celebrity who got bored and now wants to rubber stamp any Republican attack on our democracy.
Which one will stand up for democracy and which one will merely go along with his party to empower whatever authoritarian comes out of the GOP?
Cmon now. We can’t be this broken, right?
It feels a little disingenuous that those who worship Trump and have no qualms with Herschel Walker are now suddenly concerned that a man recovering from a stroke struggled in a tv debate with a celebrity tv star. As if Trump has ever been coherent in the last 5 years?
I don’t think we really need a debate to know who the better candidate is. One believes in democracy, has worked in the legislative process before, and lives in PA and the other is a NJ tv celebrity who got bored and now wants to rubber stamp any Republican attack on our democracy.
Which one will stand up for democracy and which one will merely go along with his party to empower whatever authoritarian comes out of the GOP?
Cmon now. We can’t be this broken, right?
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The Thriller
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Wait why should abortion involve politicians, local or federal at all? Why not just return the protections of Roe v Wade? It seemed to be working for most Americans, right?
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It’s important to remember that the GOP doesn’t have any solutions for “gAs PrIcEs” and “iNfLaTiOn!” And cuts to social safety nets help absolutely no one… well other than the richest in America.
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Except for all those that just knew that people out there were getting abortions, and it was wrong that other people had choices, so they had to take it down. I mean, isn't it bad enough that a majority of them are poor, now we have them killing babies!! Not on my watch!!
This is how I see one side of this debate, it is a lot like the trunk people ads from interdimensional cable from Rick and Morty. It is just that ridiculous.
Here you go. Interesting that in this fictionalized scenario, the ad AGAINST the trunk people is paid for by a rich guy who isn't a trunk person and the ad FOR the trunk people is paid for by the people affected. Not at all like real life, right?
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Al-O-Meter
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Because by definition it is homicide and we as a society should have a say over it. As you are always crying over muh democracy, I find it interesting how demonstrably fake those cries are in light of you wanting to exclude the legislators (the most democratic branch in the entire government) from enacting the will of the people.
Do you have a daughter?
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The problem is there is no legal statute that identifies an unborn fetus as a person with all the inherent rights. So in the eyes of the law, it is not homicide.
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Definitely no criminal intent in abortion. And a fetus does not have legal personhood.
From the 14th amendment, the protections apply to those BORN in the United States. Nothing mentioned of unborn. That is the huge debate now that Roe has been overturned, and assigning a fetus "personhood" opens a whole other can of worms, like now they should be able to be included on someone's taxes. They should be able to get a social security number.
Individual states are setting their own personhood laws, but that is a sticky wicket. They are mostly being challenged in court as well.
So no, abortion is not clearly an act of homicide, legally speaking.
Now whether it is killing a human being, that is another story and debate altogether, with opinions that run the gamut from conception = human being all the way to late-term-abortions = not a human being to fetus = parasite. With no scientific consensus on when life becomes human, we are left to the fickle bog of public opinion.
I have no trouble following Trump when I listen to him talking, but pulling out just the text without the vocal emphases, the pauses, the tone, etc. does come across as word salad. He's coherent, but doesn't stay on message well. It's the message that I feel lacks internal coherence.
Al-O-Meter
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In the eyes of the law it is not murder or manslaughter. It is still homicide. Re-read the definition you posted. Abortion is a homicide that is not a crime (as of 2022).
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So he doesnt want national politicians involved with womens decisions but he does want local political leaders involved? I dont see how that is better.
Seems like the other dude having recently suffered a stroke was some context left out of that other fracking clip fwiw
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Only if you assume a legal status as a "human being" for a fetus, which is not established across all states nor supported by the constitution. It cannot be homicide of any kind if it isn't a human being. You obviously ignored the rest of my post which explained exactly that.