The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[fishonjazz]

But all it takes it Trump saying what he did to get a decently large portion of the population to completely disregard any video evidence, hell any evidence of any kind, and it remains a gay lover spat or whatever other conspiracy they latch onto. We are so far down the rabbit hole that nothing will suffice for evidence. I believe some of them could have seen it with their own eyes, but when Trump tells them it was a break-out they will disregard what they saw and follow the shepherd over the cliff.

Yep. I wish the government were able to stop anyone from accessing any disinformation about the gay lover crap. Unfortunately the government doesn't have the ability to prevent information from being veiwed no matter how incorrect the information is.

 

[Bucknutz]

Well see you cant pick and choose news sources. I can use left wing or right wing news sources to find info. You are saying the government is stopping you from getting information. Well if its found on left wing or right wing sources then that would mean its able to be found right?

Sure, find documents from the government that states they don’t use portal that news sources can provide. I don’t want opinion. I want official documents. The article I provided had leaked documents and links.

 

[fishonjazz]

Sure, find documents from the government that states they don’t use portal that news sources can provide. I don’t want opinion. I want official documents. The article I provided had leaked documents and links.

What if those leaked documents and links were fake!?

 

[One Brow]

I just did. Is the government using the portal to stop misinformation or are they not?

Yes, they are using the portal. The answer was "No" because the questioner used "censorship" and "censor".

 

[Bucknutz]

What if those leaked documents and links were fake!?

Link is still active and documents show how to use it and actually gave the link. I also provided a clip of press secretary explaining the process.

Please stop stalling and show me documents leaked or provided that show that the government didn’t use the portal and support the other press secretary.

This is the point I’m making, why should the government be the source of truth when they can’t provide the truth. If they didn’t use it, the prove it.

Did you just accept that Trump was telling the truth about the call with the Ukraine? Or did you question it when the call was leaked?

 

[One Brow]

Please stop stalling and show me documents leaked or provided that show that the government didn’t use the portal and support the other press secretary.

First, you'll have to show how use of the portal is "censorship". If you can not, than Jean-Pierre is correct regardless of current portal usage.

 

[fishonjazz]

Link is still active and documents show how to use it and actually gave the link. I also provided a clip of press secretary explaining the process.

Please stop stalling and show me documents leaked or provided that show that the government didn’t use the portal and support the other press secretary.

This is the point I’m making, why should the government be the source of truth when they can’t provide the truth. If they didn’t use it, the prove it.

Did you just accept that Trump was telling the truth about the call with the Ukraine? Or did you question it when the call was leaked?

Im just not seeing disinformation being hard to find. In this day and age the government is completely unable to censor info even if they want to. The government isn't the source of truth as far as I can tell (I see lots of **** they would rather me not see im sure). Why would I accept trump was telling me the truth about anything?
The internet is simply too big and too free and easy for them to be able to police it.
I wish they could though. Would be nice if people couldn't put out fake info about the pelosi attack for instance. Unfortunately there is nothing the government can do about it.

 

[Gameface]

This is going to be kind of random but a couple weeks ago I listened to the audiobook (I listen to audiobooks over reading them almost all the time now and I listen to at least a few audiobooks a month) of Chelsea Manning's "Redme.txt" and it was really interesting. I posted something about it here after I had listened to about 10% of it. It was good. Not like epically good or anything but it was very interesting all the same. Chelsea Manning (deadname is Bradley Edward Manning) was an intelligence analyst in the U.S. Army serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. They leaked classified information to WikiLeaks after having attempted to leak to major U.S. news outlets and being turned away. I don't want to run on, but they NEVER leaked information that revealed the identity of covert agents or national security information and in their prosecution, despite being charged with doing so, it was absolutely not shown that the information Chelsea leaked led to any harm to the U.S. or any U.S. personnel. She was acquitted of charges related to that claim.

Anyway, in the book Chelsea came to a realization that things being classified or not classified did not always have anything to do with national security, unless you consider inconvenient facts about mistakes made in combat zones resulting in civilian and even journalists' deaths matters of national security. What Chelsea did, in her own opinion, was to release information that was primarily historical in nature but also that demonstrated the messiness, the brutality, the blurry line between who the good guys are and who the bad guys are and the one step forward two steps back reality of what war really was.

Does the U.S. Government lie? Yes 100%. Do they often do so when they have no legitimate reason to, national security or otherwise? Yes 100%. Do they engage in activities that aren't beneficial to the people of the U.S. and even to the overall interests of the U.S. Government and then attempt to hide these activities? Yes,100%.

Does that mean that the U.S. government is actively engaged in malicious and nefarious activities aimed at the general U.S. public? I don't really think so. I think they save their malicious and nefarious activities for specific segments of the U.S. population, the biggest and most harmed target having been the African American community (because so much of the harm that was caused to indigenous people happened when they were not considered to be part of the U.S., so...), then to other minorities, the LGBTQ+ community, women when they didn't stay in their designated lane, etc..

Not really sure where I'm going here other than to say that I think it is wise to take official statements from the U.S. government with a large grain of salt. But if to you that means that they are trying to inject microchips into your body and give you a fake vaccine that is ultimately going to sterilize you or kill you, you might want to take a step back... so that you have more momentum when you take a flying leap off the ledge because I don't think there is any actual hope for most of you who think that way.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Funny thing is that when i was a kid pretty much everyone got all their information from the same place and the information was pretty much all the same. (In my city everyone got their info from the sl tribune or D news or nbc, abc, or cbs.)
If there was a virus and everyone pretty much felt the same way about it. Almost no one was thinking it was a hoax. Pretty much everyone beleived vaccines were a good thing and they worked.
Information was severely limited and restricted back then in comparison to today. And we were much more united.

I wish we could go back to when information was much more limited.


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It maybe has gotten worse but there has always been conspiracies and bad ideas floating around. The amount of crazy things I hear now vs when I was a kid isn't that different to me. Maybe some of the voices catch traction more now, I don't know. Look at the anti mask people from the Spanish flu era in USA. Anti vax people have been around for awhile.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Exactly. both points are getting out there. Nothing is being silenced. And that isn't the government telling me those things. Its a couple of humans telling those things via twitter (i dont even have a twitter account)

If you want info, you can get it. The government is powerless to stop you from getting it.

Yeah, USA isn't China who blocks all other news besides their own from the internet and bans pretty much every social media platform not their own. They also scrub news stories from the internet in China when they don't like it. They ban people's accounts when they post things they don't like. That's quite a bit different from a bunch of politicians spouting their own opinions.

People being dumb or ignorant on issues is their own fault. There is plenty of good information and everyone in the USA has the means to do decent research. But sadly most people just use the internet to confirm their own ideas. You can see it in this thread. Some posters seemingly research and try to get to the truth. A lot of people here have an opinion and then Google to find anything to confirm what they have said already and feel they got the "real" truth the rest missed out because of some stupid reasons. You also have many that just repeat what they see on their social media and think it's good information or at least has one side of the story that's good information. It's sad the percentage of people who get their main news from their social media feed.

 

[Red]

But all it takes it Trump saying what he did to get a decently large portion of the population to completely disregard any video evidence, hell any evidence of any kind, and it remains a gay lover spat or whatever other conspiracy they latch onto. We are so far down the rabbit hole that nothing will suffice for evidence. I believe some of them could have seen it with their own eyes, but when Trump tells them it was a break-out they will disregard what they saw and follow the shepherd over the cliff.

It emerges from the right wing fever swamp, where conspiracism in the service of partisan political bias, has become a default thinking mode, and it joins the ranks of other products of that fever swamp, such as Pizzagate, and the murder of Seth Rich. And I’m sure many then run with it simply because they hope it will trigger liberal meltdowns. And you’re right, verifiable facts, like an actual video from Capital police showing the moment of the break-in, which exists, won’t budge them from this irresponsible and incorrect narrative. Can’t own the libs by giving an inch….

 

[fishonjazz]

Everything Joe Biden and the Democrats have done: Why the midterms should be a cakewalk | Opinion

・Jobs: Achieved the greatest single year of job creation in American history, more than 6 million in 2021, a decrease of 16 million receiving unemployment benefits, and the biggest drop in the unemployment rate in history.

・Manufacturing jobs: The biggest yearly increase in US manufacturing jobs in nearly 30 years. Democrats’ new incentives for key industries have already led to announcements of thousands of new manufacturing jobs.

・Healthcare: Democrats’ new tax credits drove a record 14.5 million Americans signing up through the ACA, including 5.8 million new people getting coverage. They forced drug companies to negotiate prices for the elderly and capped costs at $2,000 per year. This will save elders thousands annually.

・Poverty: The Dems’ child tax credit created the largest-ever one-year decrease in childhood poverty in American history, about 3 million kids. Households saying they didn’t have enough to eat dropped by a third.

・Safety: Passed the biggest anti-violence measure in decades, including the Gun Safety bill and strengthening the Violence Against Women Act.

・Supporting police: Democrats passed four bills on supporting both police and crime victims.

・Covid: Biden executed the most successful American vaccination program in history – from under 1 percent of adults fully vaccinated to over 75 percent, with over 500 million shots administered – and from less than half of schools open to almost all of them.

・Roads, bridges, energy: the bipartisan infrastructure bill will finally fix America’s infrastructure. In 2022 alone, repairs are starting on 65,000 miles of roads and 1,500 bridges, with thousands of jobs created.

・Protecting America and our allies: Biden kept the NATO alliance together in support of Ukraine following the Russian invasion, brought in two new countries and took out the world’s number one terrorist, Ayman al-Zawahri.

・Veterans: Dems allocated funds for hundreds of thousands sickened by burn pits in the Afghanistan and Iraq wars.

・Climate: The Inflation Reduction Act includes the largest investment in history to address global warming. Biden rejoined the Paris Climate Accords and the EPA established strong new fuel economy standards.

・Diversity, equality: Democrats made lynching a federal hate crime, made Juneteenth a federal holiday and Biden appointed more Black women to the US Court of Appeals in one year than any president in history.

・Budget: The Inflation Reduction Act reduces the deficit by $300 billion.

In a highly partisan America, facts can be easily drowned out by hot-button shouting. Or, as longtime Democratic strategist and 2020 Biden ad-maker Cliff Schecter observed, “the gulf in perception of Biden’s record vs reality exposes the challenge posed by rightwing media, rampant disinformation, and a mainstream media trying to play it straight with both sides but actually just playing dumb.”

We can’t entirely fix that problem right now. What we can do is ask voters to remember the flaming dumpster fire that was America two years ago at the end of the Trump term: an economic and public health calamity, massive abuses of power and the ultimate culmination – an insurrection fueled by an American president.