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Gameface said:
Nothing there says that any of them knew it was false. It does say that the Intelligence Community does not know the accuracy of the allegation or the extent to which it may reflect exaggeration or fabrication
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Exactly, yet you are fine with them creating this hoax because it's Trump and they want Clinton to win. Why did it move forward, even though they new it was a hoax, less than 30 days later? They could have shut the whole hoax down, but they didn't. Then you have loud mouth news personalities spreading disinformation and the partisan consumption citizens parroting everything they say.
Why didn't they shut it down? We all know why.

Gameface said:
I'm in a little bit of I would need to know more, some of which may not be known by anyone outside of the Clinton campaign.
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This goes beyond the Clinton Campaign.
Gameface said:
I'm not saying this with any specific confidence, but it does see to me that Trump did have some interaction with the Russian government. If that interaction was innocent or inappropriate I don't really know. I do know that the Muller report makes very clear that it was questionable and also that the Russian government did make significant attempts to influence the 2016 election in favor of Trump and that some of the people involved did commit crimes. Trump didn't necessarily have to be involved in Russia's efforts because Russia had every motivation to support Trump's campaign with or without Trump's involvement, knowledge or approval. Trump was pro-Russia, Clinton was very anti-Russia and also a very capable politician with deep connections all over Washington. Russia clearly saw that the choice was a friendly and incompetent to be President candidate in Trump and a hostile and extremely capable candidate in Clinton. It was a win-win (both a weakened and impotent U.S. administration along with a friendly whistle, if you will) for Russia if they could get Trump in the White House.
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I'm partially with some of this, but this is a whole different conversation.
 
It should be noted the the REPUBLICAN SENATE found that Russia intervened to help Trump. Russia wasn’t a hoax. It actually happened, according to independent special counsels and the Republican Senate. The Trump campaign had “regular contact” with Russian intelligence.

www.pbs.org

Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election

The report purposely does not come to a final conclusion, as the other reports did, about whether there is enough evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated or colluded with Russia to sway the election, leaving its findings open to partisan interpretation.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

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So was the Republican senate also in on this hoax?

Damn that deep state is good. So good I wonder how the **** they didn’t win in 2016? How the **** do they allow bobo win re-election in 2022? If the deep state is this good, they definitely should be in charge of health care and all major services in this country. Cuz damn!
 
Bucknutz said:
Exactly, yet you are fine with them creating this hoax because it's Trump and they want Clinton to win. Why did it move forward, even though they new it was a hoax, less than 30 days later? They could have shut the whole hoax down, but they didn't. Then you have loud mouth news personalities spreading disinformation and the partisan consumption citizens parroting everything they say.
Why didn't they shut it down? We all know why.


This goes beyond the Clinton Campaign.

I'm partially with some of this, but this is a whole different conversation.
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It has not been shown to be a hoax. It has been shown to have been unclear at the time.

Outside the Clinton campaign they didn't know if it was legitimate or not... and they still don't.

I never said what I was "good with" in this conversation as far as I know.
 
Bucknutz said:
Durham report:


View: https://twitter.com/Techno_Fog/status/1658191613540048933?s=20


It looks like Biden knew.
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I saearched the report for "Biden", and he is mentioned once:
After the inauguration of President Biden, Attorney General Garland met with the Office of Special Counsel ("OSC" or "the Office"). The Office very much appreciates the support, consistent with his testimony during his confirmation hearings, that the Attorney General has provided to our efforts and the Department's willingness to allow us to operate independently.
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"Lynch" does not appear, and every reference to "Attorney General" refers to Barr or Garland. Comey, of course, is all over the place.

Nothing in the report says Biden nor Lynch was involved. I am shocked, just shocked, that Techno Fog would lie about this.

Bucknutz said:
FBI Response. It looks like they knew what they did.
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According to the Durham report, they were more enthusiastic at pursuing leads than they should have been. They do know that. Not that it matters, once the spotlight is off for a while, they'll continue in these sorts of behaviors, because that's what law enforcement officials do; they get aggressive and break rules to catch lawbreakers.

Note the report suggests no further prosecutions are required. That's 2 trials resulting in acquittal and 1 conviction.
 
Bucknutz said:
Exactly, yet you are fine with them creating this hoax because it's Trump and they want Clinton to win. Why did it move forward, even though they new it was a hoax, less than 30 days later? They could have shut the whole hoax down, but they didn't. Then you have loud mouth news personalities spreading disinformation and the partisan consumption citizens parroting everything they say.
Why didn't they shut it down? We all know why.


This goes beyond the Clinton Campaign.

I'm partially with some of this, but this is a whole different conversation.
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I think they didn't shut it down because they were finding evidence of crimes.
Google "arrests, indictments, prosecutions, and convictions stemming from the Russia investigation". Spoiler alert, there were quite a few folks in trumps inner circle who were convicted of crimes stemming from the investigation. I'm glad that they didn't shut it down or those criminals would have gotten away with their crimes.
 
Bucknutz said:
Nope, just saying they did.

They did say they wanted to fabricate a relationship between trump and Russia...According to CIA Director Brennan. Page 81.
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The document says that Brennan briefed his superiors on Clinton's approval, not that he nor anyone else knew it was fabricated nor approved of a fabrication.

Bucknutz said:
Involved in a strategy to make up a scandal is, with the heads of the FBI, CIA, POTUS and VP. They all knew it was false yet still ran with it.
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The Durham report makes no such claims.
 
Bucknutz said:
Thoroughly discredited? From whom? An opinion, from January? This just came out a couple hours ago.
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I agree that the report, while demanding a level of rigor not usually seen at the FBI, is in no way discreditied.

Bucknutz said:
You fell for this left wing hoax, because you wanted it to be true so bad.
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The Mueller report was very clear that Trump/Russia collusion happened.

Bucknutz said:
If Trump did this, you all would be bitching for years.
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Did what, precisely? Get informed by subordinates of a campaign strategy?
 
Bucknutz said:
Nope, just saying they did.

They did say they wanted to fabricate a relationship between trump and Russia...According to CIA Director Brennan. Page 81.


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Involved in a strategy to make up a scandal is, with the heads of the FBI, CIA, POTUS and VP. They all knew it was false yet still ran with it. It's a little more than a campaign strategy.
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I don't see that saying "fabricate" or "make up." It says "stir up" which, from my experience cooking chili, don't mean the same thing It would mean more bringing it to the top.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think they didn't shut it down because they were finding evidence of crimes.
Google "arrests, indictments, prosecutions, and convictions stemming from the Russia investigation". Spoiler alert, there were quite a few folks in trumps inner circle who were convicted of crimes stemming from the investigation. I'm glad that they didn't shut it down or those criminals would have gotten away with their crimes.
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Oh you mean the crimes that had nothing to do with the actual investigation?

You admit it was a hoax and you justify it by finding tax crimes that you don't really give a **** about.
 
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