The Bill of Rights Series: Amendment 4

[Gameface]

Here is the second installment. This is the one I'm excited to talk about. I think the Fourth Amendment has been pretty thoroughly decimated. I think the 4th Amendment is MORE important than the 2nd. Yet, no one seems to care. No one seems to notice. This one doesn't evoke the same emotion as the first two. I don't understand why, for those who scream and yell and put on a good show about how much they care about America and the Constitution, why this is not part of that discussion. But here it is:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

I have been advised on this forum that the police can search my car whenever they want to and to protest or object is not only silly, but is likely to gain me a little extra retribution. I don't disagree, but I also think it's a huge ****ing tragedy. We've gone from one no brainer Amendment, in #3 to what seems to me another no brainer. So why am I not asking in this thread if we even really need this Amendment because the government wouldn't consider violating our right to privacy or to our own personal property? Fact is that our privacy and property are violated hundreds and thousands of times a day as a matter of routine and standard policy.

My question, if you care about the 1st Amendment, or the 2nd Amendment, how do you feel about this one?

 

[DutchJazzer]

i wont act like u and troll/derail your threads. even though you did that to my anchor baby thread.

this one is also important. but mostly for security/safety reasons people don't seem to care for this one as much as 1st and 2nd.

i disagree this one being more important then the 2nd amendment.

as a matter of principle people should more often stand for their rights. only politician right now who cares about this one is rand paul.


i have spoken to people from all over the world mostly people trust the government and are willing to give up privacy and guns for safety even though in reality it doesn't make the world safer. principles and standing for the right thing makes the world safer.

thats my opinion pretty much

 

[DutchJazzer]

also to add:
fear pretty much killed this amendment fear after 911.
fear only reinforces gun lovers to get more guns. it is easier to give up privacy compared to giving up guns.

if u scare a gun lover he gets his gun. or buys more guns

 

[babe]

the fundamental thing is to limit the government. defend human rights as inviolable assets. Not create inordinate power centers that attract corruptible interests and power brokers.

 

[Stoked]

I absolutely agree with this amendment.

So question?

Do you all feel that when someone is hacked via a third party, say the recent gov. hacks or Ashley Madison, that their 4th amendment rights have been violated?

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

 

[GVC]

A useful link: https://www.aclu.org/constitution-100-mile-border-zone

I'll add detail a bit later, but I've been subjected to a pretty invasive search by CBP officers who stopped me without reasonable cause/suspicion.

 

[Jamezz]

Here we go, our beloved 4th Amendment that's going down the sewer. I'm looking at some cops, the Census Bureau, the TSA, overall the big Government that's ruling over us. That's why everything used to be more fun back in the 70's (from what I've heard, haven't lived in those years).

Then you have assholes like Christie and Giuliani who justify recording our private conversations based on a terrorist attack, and I'll say it loud and clear, perpetrated by the Israeli government (our Allies). This is BS and we need to take the country back. I have spoken.

 

[GVC]

The detail:

I was returning to the Eastern Townships of Quebec (Estrie for the Francophones/Francophiles) from Burlington VT, after picking up a friend who had been visiting his cancer-stricken father in Washington state. The quickest route is through the border crossing at East Richford/Glen Sutton. Unbeknownst to me, the Canadian customs office in Glen Sutton is/was closed after 4pm. When I made the turn toward Glen Sutton (instead of continuing through to the North Troy/Highwater crossing), an SUV started tailing me. It followed me all the way to the US customs office, and then turned its lights on and pulled me over. Befuddled, I stuck my head out the window, and calmly asked the officer "what's the problem?" The officer began to chew me out, and sternly instructed me to exit my vehicle and put my hands on the hood of my car. I was then thoroughly frisked. The officer then made my buddy and I wait while drug dogs were called in, and a thorough search of my car was completed. This took roughly an hour. There was, of course, nothing illegal in the car.

 

[Getting Traded]

The detail:

I was returning to the Eastern Townships of Quebec (Estrie for the Francophones/Francophiles) from Burlington VT, after picking up a friend who had been visiting his cancer-stricken father in Washington state. The quickest route is through the border crossing at East Richford/Glen Sutton. Unbeknownst to me, the Canadian customs office in Glen Sutton is/was closed after 4pm. When I made the turn toward Glen Sutton (instead of continuing through to the North Troy/Highwater crossing), an SUV started tailing me. It followed me all the way to the US customs office, and then turned its lights on and pulled me over. Befuddled, I stuck my head out the window, and calmly asked the officer "what's the problem?" The officer began to chew me out, and sternly instructed me to exit my vehicle and put my hands on the hood of my car. I was then thoroughly frisked. The officer then made my buddy and I wait while drug dogs were called in, and a thorough search of my car was completed. This took roughly an hour. There was, of course, nothing illegal in the car.

I'm no expert on this, but I believe they must have reasonable suspicion to warrant such a search, and if they don't and something is found, the case will be dismissed. However, I wouldn't bank on it, especially considering how dishonest law enforcement is these days.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Cops can just make some **** up for "probable cause" if they feel like it.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Yup, our rights are definitely getting taken away. And we let it happen. We allowed it. Sad.

 

[GVC]

I'm no expert on this, but I believe they must have reasonable suspicion to warrant such a search, and if they don't and something is found, the case will be dismissed. However, I wouldn't bank on it, especially considering how dishonest law enforcement is these days.

If you haven't already, take a look at the link I posted. The CBP has effectively been given permission to search whomever they want whenever they want, and regularly conduct searches like the one I posted. Had there been contraband in the car, I would have faced serious repercussions, regardless of the legality/constitutionality of the search.

I had to interrupt the thug while he lectured me about how visiting the US is a privilege for foreign nationals, and inform him that both I and my friend are US citizens. I took some satisfaction in that he appeared a bit disarmed/embarrassed, and flashed him a sarcastic/disapproving grin.

 

[Jamezz]

How about when the Census Bureau sends you a survey asking how many toilets are in your place, what time you go to work, what time you get home from work, among many other intrusive questions like these. Now they sent me a warning that they might send someone to have me answer the survey. I'm waiting impatiently...

 

[GVC]

How about when the Census Bureau sends you a survey asking how many toilets are in your place, what time you go to work, what time you get home from work, among many other intrusive questions like these. Now they sent me a warning that they might send someone to have me answer the survey. I'm waiting impatiently...

1. The census is an invaluable resource for social scientists and policy makers.

2. Unless you're Japanese, there's really no need to worry about that information being used against you.

 

[[size/HUGE] boobs [/size]]

Here is the second installment. This is the one I'm excited to talk about. I think the Fourth Amendment has been pretty thoroughly decimated. I think the 4th Amendment is MORE important than the 2nd. Yet, no one seems to care. No one seems to notice. This one doesn't evoke the same emotion as the first two. I don't understand why, for those who scream and yell and put on a good show about how much they care about America and the Constitution, why this is not part of that discussion. But here it is:



I have been advised on this forum that the police can search my car whenever they want to and to protest or object is not only silly, but is likely to gain me a little extra retribution. I don't disagree, but I also think it's a huge ****ing tragedy. We've gone from one no brainer Amendment, in #3 to what seems to me another no brainer. So why am I not asking in this thread if we even really need this Amendment because the government wouldn't consider violating our right to privacy or to our own personal property? Fact is that our privacy and property are violated hundreds and thousands of times a day as a matter of routine and standard policy.

My question, if you care about the 1st Amendment, or the 2nd Amendment, how do you feel about this one?

Bill if rights? ROFL. There is no rights only popular opinion. You know the saying goes. If you cannot beat them do what you can to stay ahead.

 

[fishonjazz]

Cops can just make some **** up for "probable cause" if they feel like it.

This

 

[fishonjazz]

**** the police

 

[Jamezz]

1. The census is an invaluable resource for social scientists and policy makers.

2. Unless you're Japanese, there's really no need to worry about that information being used against you.

Ha, good point, I remember what happened to Japanese living in the US during WWII

 

[[size/HUGE] boobs [/size]]

Obama wiped his *** with the Bill if rights. USA better hope a nother liberal does not win or we are done. They think they can force there agenda down are throats and everything will be okay because people are good. Guess what people are not good they will take your rights.

 

[[size/HUGE] boobs [/size]]

i wont act like u and troll/derail your threads. even though you did that to my anchor baby thread.

this one is also important. but mostly for security/safety reasons people don't seem to care for this one as much as 1st and 2nd.

i disagree this one being more important then the 2nd amendment.

as a matter of principle people should more often stand for their rights. only politician right now who cares about this one is rand paul.


i have spoken to people from all over the world mostly people trust the government and are willing to give up privacy and guns for safety even though in reality it doesn't make the world safer. principles and standing for the right thing makes the world safer.

thats my opinion pretty much

Rand Paul is career politician and corporate America. Dumb ****.