The Caravan

[Deleted member 365]

If someone shows me a gun, tells me hes going to shoot it towards me, and I still stand in his way then yes thats my fault. Thats what happened here with the car.

Edit: It appears everyone else made the same painfully obvious gun range comparison but I'll leave mine up.

this is such an asinine take. One of the worst I’ve seen on this website.

 

[Beer]

what about when that Nazi plowed into a group of people in Charlottesville? More theatrics?

this is such an asinine take. One of the worst I’ve seen on this website.

 

[One Brow]

If someone shows me a gun, tells me hes going to shoot it towards me, and I still stand in his way then yes thats my fault. Thats what happened here with the car.

Edit: It appears everyone else made the same painfully obvious gun range comparison but I'll leave mine up.

Someone threatens to shoot you and then does it, and it's your fault? Does that also apply to fists? As long as they threaten you first, it's your fault for getting hit?

 

[One Brow]

We simply disagree.

We do?

I think pedestrians should treat the vehicle like the potentially lethal machine that it is and give it a wide berth and stay off the road as much as possible. Cars belong on the road. People don't.

Is that supposed to be something we disagree on? I'm assuming you are referring to situations where sidewalks are available, of course. If there is no sidewalk, where should people walk? Perhaps we disagree on that.

 

[One Brow]

People: Hey, I just need to get to work to feed my family and I have nothing to do with whatever your issue is.

The driver of the truck was working for ICE. That's a pretty direct connection to the protesters' issue.

 

[Beer]

Someone threatens to shoot you and then does it, and it's your fault? Does that also apply to fists? As long as they threaten you first, it's your fault for getting hit?

No, if someone is shooting into a general area, you as an adult know that, and you go out of your way to be in that area, its on you if you get shot.

 

[Harambe]

No, if someone is shooting into a general area, you as an adult know that, and you go out of your way to be in that area, its on you if you get shot.

I'd like to test this theory. Let's work out a time for you to bring your six shooter to the Harmon's parking lot @ city creek. Maybe before a jazz game. I'll stand in the parking lot. You tell me you're going to shoot. I won't move. Let's see if you get arrested.

 

[Red]

A couple of things to point out. The driver was not an employee of ICE. He was a correctional officer at the Wyatt Detention Center.

The protestors were not blocking the road at all. They were standing, and sitting, at the entrance to the parking lot for the Wyatt center.

I posted the update just for the sake of informing anyone who had discussed the incident at the time, what the judicial resolution was.

However, it may be worth viewing what I think is the best video of the incident, since it better shows the complete setting prior to the arrival of the truck. That more complete video can be viewed here:

https://www.providencejournal.com/n...ters-64-year-old-warren-man-seriously-injured

From my perspective, what the driver did was wrong. I imagine it can be argued that the protestors had no right to be sitting in the entrance to the employee parking lot. But, if you can watch the video, and state that this was the correct response on the driver's part, well, we part company there I guess. I simply would not have been able to step on the accelerator with all those people in front of my vehicle. Now, I think protestors pounding on his hood did not help, but the people are people, I can't justify just driving right into them.

Also, one of the injuries was not, as was suggested by one poster, just someone faking injury just to go to a hospital:

"Protest organizers said a 64-year-old man suffered a broken leg, internal bleeding and possibly a back injury. Amy Anthony, spokeswoman for Never Again Action, identified the man as Jerry Belair, of Warren, RI."

 

[fishonjazz]

We do?



Is that supposed to be something we disagree on? I'm assuming you are referring to situations where sidewalks are available, of course. If there is no sidewalk, where should people walk? Perhaps we disagree on that.

Well in this context there is a specific incident.
I don't think the protesters were forced to be in the road in front of the vehicle.
Imo they could have and should have moved. I have common since not to stand in front of a vehicle and antagonize the driver and then stay in front of the vehicle when it begins moving toward me.

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[fishonjazz]

I'd like to test this theory. Let's work out a time for you to bring your six shooter to the Harmon's parking lot @ city creek. Maybe before a jazz game. I'll stand in the parking lot. You tell me you're going to shoot. I won't move. Let's see if you get arrested.

You should do at a shooting range instead. A place where guns are supposed to be shot.

Shooting a gun at City Creek would get a person arrested even if the bullet didn't hit anyone.

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[Zombie]

If someone is standing down range at a gun range that doesn't make them free game for people to shoot at them. This is so painfully obvious I'm amazed it needs to be said.

This isn't a case of a driver being surprised by people in the road and hitting them on accident. He intentionally drove his vehicle into them. Seems strange that people think getting inconvenienced gives you a license to use a deadly weapon against the person inconveniencing them.

 

[fishonjazz]

A couple of things to point out. The driver was not an employee of ICE. He was a correctional officer at the Wyatt Detention Center.

The protestors were not blocking the road at all. They were standing, and sitting, at the entrance to the parking lot for the Wyatt center.

I posted the update just for the sake of informing anyone who had discussed the incident at the time, what the judicial resolution was.

However, it may be worth viewing what I think is the best video of the incident, since it better shows the complete setting prior to the arrival of the truck. That more complete video can be viewed here:

https://www.providencejournal.com/n...ters-64-year-old-warren-man-seriously-injured

From my perspective, what the driver did was wrong. I imagine it can be argued that the protestors had no right to be sitting in the entrance to the employee parking lot. But, if you can watch the video, and state that this was the correct response on the driver's part, well, we part company there I guess. I simply would not have been able to step on the accelerator with all those people in front of my vehicle. Now, I think protestors pounding on his hood did not help, but the people are people, I can't justify just driving right into them.

Also, one of the injuries was not, as was suggested by one poster, just someone faking injury just to go to a hospital:

"Protest organizers said a 64-year-old man suffered a broken leg, internal bleeding and possibly a back injury. Amy Anthony, spokeswoman for Never Again Action, identified the man as Jerry Belair, of Warren, RI."

I agree with you that I personally wouldn't have continued to accelerate. And watching the video I think what the driver did was wrong. He should have had at least a bit more reservation/restraint first. Maybe they would have moved if given more time and discussion first.

I probably would have parked somewhere else and walked to work or something I guess.

I also wouldn't have stood in front of a vehicle that seems intent on going through me.

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