The Climate Change Thread

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Study: Climate Change A Factor In Unprecedented LA Fires

UCLA researchers breakdown the role climate change played in the January 2025 LA fires.

sustainablela.ucla.edu

Did you actually read it? The paper blows up your narrative. The declaration of it being a "factor" was a clever way to hide what the factor was. Here is the actual text of the paper:

"The collective picture that emerges from these three stations is that this was indeed a highly unusual Santa Ana event, though perhaps not entirely unprecedented. We did not find any statistically significant trends in wind speeds during Santa Ana days at these three locations. We are also hard pressed to name a mechanism whereby a warming climate would favor development of such an extreme Santa Ana event, and indeed the small body of research done so far suggests that climate change is generally associated with somewhat weaker Santa Ana winds in a warmer world (Abel et al. 2011, Guzman-Morales and Gershunov 2019). This may not preclude a role for climate change in intensifying the strongest events, but further evidence is needed to support a role for climate change in the extreme nature of the January 7-8 Santa Ana event. "

The "factor" of climate change was to make the LA fires less bad. That is what the scientists wrote in your linked paper.

 

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Did you actually read it? The paper blows up your narrative

Yes I read it. And no, they did not blow up my narrative. Without the climate change components they noted, the 2025 fires would have been ”somewhat smaller and less intense”. Once again, I have, all along, been referring to long term underlying causes, which includes man made climate change, initiated by industrialization centuries ago now. But, as they also note below, we can expect those underlying causes to continue to make for worse events. And obviously, not just from fires. The extreme warmth of Mexico waters helped last years hurricanes increase greatly in strength, and quickly. I am not going to eliminate climate change when looking at future events, if doing so is wrong. I’m not a climate change denier. I want to understand those long term causes. The ones Trump calls “a hoax”.

The below, if I had spelled it out originally, is something I agree with. I never said no fires at all would have occurred were it not for climate change:

“Further research is needed to understand how the factors above combined to produce the observed behavior of the January 2025 fires, including the overall contribution of the factors’ climate-change components. Based on current understanding of the importance of fuel moisture and fuel loads for wildfire behavior in grassland and chaparral ecosystems, we believe that the fires would still have been extreme without the climate change components noted above, but would have been somewhat smaller and less intense. Continued climate change is inevitable over the coming decades, and therefore so is the expectation of even more intense wildfires when all of the other necessary conditions for fire occur (e.g. fuel abundance, dryness, extreme winds, and ignitions).”

(I’ll return that paper to its original location in this thread)

 

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What I have are facts.

Probably through discussing this with you, but, after the most recent posts, I get the impression you assume I am claiming no Jan. 2025 LA firestorms without manmade global warming. I’m not. Manmade global warming is playing a role, both in the LA fires, and other natural disasters in recent years. Fires and hurricanes are the most obvious that come to mind.

 

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I am not going to eliminate climate change when looking at future events

I never indicated you should eliminate looking at climate change, only that you should expand your horizons beyond only climate change. Information from biologists on characteristic of flora, geographers talking about the effects of topography, or archaeologists sharing bit on ancient peoples native to the land should not be shut down with shrieks of "100% false" and "extreme right wing apologist". Science is more than climatologists and authoritarianism experts willing to make sensational claims online.

 

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A new kind of urban firestorm…

https://wapo.st/3WkGmSw

“The conditions that contributed to the Eaton Fire’s devastation are expected to become more common as the world warms, research shows.

A new analysis in the journal Nature Reviews, published just days after the Eaton and Palisades fires ignited, found that oscillations between extreme rain and drought have increased 31 to 66 percent across the globe since the mid-1990s.

Climate change is also expected to lengthen California’s dry season, increasing the overlap between peak fire conditions and the Santa Ana winds. A study published in October in the journal Science found the state has already experienced a 400 percent increase in the growth rate of “fast fires” since 2001. These blazes are fueled by extremely dry vegetation and driven by powerful winds that toss embers far ahead of the main flames.

“It’s like a blowtorch,” Acuña said. “There’s just simply no way to stop that.”

 

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A new kind of urban firestorm…

https://wapo.st/3WkGmSw

“The conditions that contributed to the Eaton Fire’s devastation are expected to become more common as the world warms, research shows.

A new analysis in the journal Nature Reviews, published just days after the Eaton and Palisades fires ignited, found that oscillations between extreme rain and drought have increased 31 to 66 percent across the globe since the mid-1990s.

Climate change is also expected to lengthen California’s dry season, increasing the overlap between peak fire conditions and the Santa Ana winds. A study published in October in the journal Science found the state has already experienced a 400 percent increase in the growth rate of “fast fires” since 2001. These blazes are fueled by extremely dry vegetation and driven by powerful winds that toss embers far ahead of the main flames.

“It’s like a blowtorch,” Acuña said. “There’s just simply no way to stop that.”

Wrong. The only conditions that caused this fire was DEI hiring policies and liberal agendas. Vague, nonspecific liberal agendas, like too many illegal immigrants or something. Everyone knows the world would cool by multiple degrees if we just hired qualified white men for all of these things. Why can't everyone see that? Idiots!

 

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Wrong. The only conditions that caused this fire was DEI hiring policies and liberal agendas. Vague, nonspecific liberal agendas, like too many illegal immigrants or something. Everyone knows the world would cool by multiple degrees if we just hired qualified white men for all of these things. Why can't everyone see that? Idiots!

The saddest part of this anti-DEI **** is that people who are black, gay, or a woman in positions with no help from DEI policies are going to be looked at as though they didn't earn their position.

It is important to understand that there is no DEI policy that suggests unqualified people should be hired. Most of the time it means to at least consider the entire field of qualified candidates and don't just hire the dude who you spent half the interview talking about golf and sports with and that you don't just want to have as an employee but a new hang-out buddy because you have so much in common.

Most of the time when the less qualified person gets hired it is because they are white and the interviewer is white.

 

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The saddest part of this anti-DEI **** is that people who are black, gay, or a woman in positions with no help from DEI policies are going to be looked at as though they didn't earn their position.

It is important to understand that there is no DEI policy that suggests unqualified people should be hired. Most of the time it means to at least consider the entire field of qualified candidates and don't just hire the dude who you spent half the interview talking about golf and sports with and that you don't just want to have as an employee but a new hang-out buddy because you have so much in common.

Most of the time when the less qualified person gets hired it is because they are white and the interviewer is white.

The easiest way around this is the method I take when interviewing. I have my recruiter print out resumes and either delete or physical cut off the names and addresses, etc of the candidate. Then i can do the first round minimizing any of my own hidden biases. I've found some really good people this way, even though I'd like to think i would have picked the best candidate anyway. It's just a good method that works for me

 

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The dastardly Heartland Institute determined to erase “climate change” as a subject of discussion in the real world that we all live in. What a noble goal! Not!

Revealed: US climate denial group working with European far-right parties

Representatives of Heartland Institute linking up with MEPs to campaign against environmental policies

www.theguardian.com

Climate science deniers from a US-based thinktank have been working with rightwing politicians in Europe to campaign against environmental policies, the Guardian can reveal.

MEPs have been accused of “rolling out the red carpet for climate deniers” to give them a platform in the European parliament, amid warnings of a “revival of grotesque climate denialism”.

The Heartland Institute, which has links to the Trump administration and has drawn on funding from companies including ExxonMobil and wealthy US Republican donors, has seized on a time when rightwing anti-climate action sentiment has been surging, and has set up a new European base in London.

For the past two years, representatives of the thinktank have been working with MEPs and have spoken in the European parliament to campaign against bills, including the nature restoration law. They have sought to cast doubt on established climate science, and connected climate-sceptic MEPs from Poland, Hungary and Austria to help coordinate campaigns against proposed environmental laws.

Heartland has made some extreme and incorrect comments on climate. In the past, it has compared people who believe in global heating to the Unabomber, the US terrorist jailed for killing three people and injuring many others, as well as branding the concept of human-caused climate change “fake news”……

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After setting up its base in London this December, the institute boasted in a newsletter to its members about its unprecedented footprint in Europe. It wrote: “In our role as gadfly, we have helped foment dissent and encouraged and publicised protests against higher energy taxes, climate restrictions, and wind and solar subsidies.

“Based on the fact that a number of energy taxes in different EU countries have been delayed, reduced, or scuttled altogether and climate policies have been modified to reduce their economic impact, there is at least some evidence our efforts have borne positive policy fruit.”

Green MEPs have warned about the rise of the Institute in Europe. The Austrian MEP Lena Schilling said: “The FPÖ is rolling out the red carpet for climate change deniers who try to undermine EU legislation and accelerate the destruction of our planet. It’s a disgrace and a betrayal of citizens who expect their political representatives to protect them from disasters and security threats.”

The German MEP Daniel Freund added: “Recently, Alice Weidel advocated for tearing down all wind turbines in Germany – even though they produce cheap electricity. The alliance between climate deniers and the far right is taking on cult-like characteristics.” Weidel is the co-leader of Germany’s far-right Alternative für Deutschland party.

 

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The dastardly Heartland Institute determined to erase “climate change” as a subject of discussion in the real world that we all live in. What a noble goal!

 

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The Ocean Surface Is Warming Over 400% Faster Than in The 1980s

The unexpected jump in global temperatures since 2023 has helped fuel a relentless assault of associated disasters around the world, including the still-burning LA fires and the deadly Valencia floods, leaving researchers scrambling for explanations.

www.sciencealert.com

“The unexpected jump in global temperatures since 2023 has helped fuel a relentless assault of associated disasters around the world, including the still-burning LA fires and the deadly Valencia floods, leaving researchers scrambling for explanations.

Data from the world's oceans now reveal that an alarming acceleration in sea surface warming likely contributed. A new study from the University of Reading in the UK finds the tops of our oceans are warming more than four times faster than in the late 1980s.

Surge in ocean heat is a sign climate change is accelerating

The rate of warming in the oceans has more than quadrupled since 1985, suggesting global warming in general has undergone a marked acceleration

www.newscientist.com

 

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Don’t know why you are so eager to broadcast your stupidity, but I won’t stand in your way…