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The Dark Knight Rises

So let's be clear here: the only fans the movie-makers are supposed to be catering to are those who have read every single episode of every comic and fan fiction known to man, those who made it their life's work to critique comic-book writing as if it were an art form. And they are supposed to ignore the other 99% of the population in doing so. And if you haven't read everything contained in that particular mythos, you have no right to an opinion.

Gotcha.

No. That's not what I said at all.

In fact, from everything I've heard (I didn't see it) part of the reason Green Lantern was so terrible is that in engaged in too much fan service. I will never take the position that those who are deeply entrenched in the mythos aren't allowed to have an opinion. That would exclude even myself from many of the comic book films and adaptations that are out there since I only read a small slice of what is published. In fact, I think if you read my post a little more closely and with less self-seriousness you'd realize most of the post is designed to poke fun at the goofiness of Batman comics generally and not at you specifically.

What I did say is that your blanket judgment about a particular character "never" being particularly well developed and generally diluting the Batman story is based on very outdated information. There's a difference between saying that you have to have read everything and saying that the opinion means more if you have a passing familiarity with the last 25 years of publication of a particular character.

In fact, that differentiation of information depending on the context of time was the basis for my initial response to Numberica with respect to the idea that I had no idea how to respond to criticisms of the character because it was possible, even likely, that everyone was talking about a totally different iteration of the character. Your judgment that Catwoman is, per se, a bad idea to add to the film is based on experiences with the character that occurred before I was even born. The vast majority of my experiences with the character took place in a universe that you've never inhabited. There is no rational point of comparison for us to even discuss what catwoman brings to the table.

Given all that, my only point is that maybe you shouldn't be so hard-set in your idea that the character sucks and will be a drag on the film. She's not my favorite either, but we really have almost no basis to determine what Anne Hathaway's character will be because the publishing history to draw from is so variable. She could be a brothel madame (there's basis for that), a millionaire heiress (that too), a romantic interest (tons of that), a basic villain catburglar, etc etc. We truly have no idea what narrative role she will play. Any judgment you, or anyone else for that matter, could draw based solely on the name "catwoman" comes from a pretense of knowledge.
 
Sirkickyass, I barely remember reading comic books as a child, but I do remember the character "Creeper". Would he or would he not be an interesting inclusion in a Batman movie?
 
Sirkickyass, I barely remember reading comic books as a child, but I do remember the character "Creeper". Would he or would he not be an interesting inclusion in a Batman movie?

He could be. But I don't think Nolan would use him because he's tended to shy away from anything that's supernatural in nature.

Considering the Creeper's alter ego (Jack Ryder) is effectively a Keith Olbermann/Sean Hannity type he could theoretically be deployed humorously.
 
No. That's not what I said at all.

In fact, from everything I've heard (I didn't see it) part of the reason Green Lantern was so terrible is that in engaged in too much fan service. I will never take the position that those who are deeply entrenched in the mythos aren't allowed to have an opinion. That would exclude even myself from many of the comic book films and adaptations that are out there since I only read a small slice of what is published. In fact, I think if you read my post a little more closely and with less self-seriousness you'd realize most of the post is designed to poke fun at the goofiness of Batman comics generally and not at you specifically.

What I did say is that your blanket judgment about a particular character "never" being particularly well developed and generally diluting the Batman story is based on very outdated information. There's a difference between saying that you have to have read everything and saying that the opinion means more if you have a passing familiarity with the last 25 years of publication of a particular character.

Actually, if you read my post more carefully, I qualify my opinion by telling you exactly what time period I based it on (as you questioned in an earlier post). I did not say that her character was "never" developed. I pointed out that, in the comics I read, and the TV and movie portrayals I have seen, the character was rarely more than a dilution of the batman story.

I stopped reading Batman-related comics in the 80's. I read most of what I could get my hands on during the 80's, which included a collection of my friend's from the mid-60's. I just never liked the character in any iteration. I never felt it as particularly well-developed or doing anything but diluting the Batman story. So I guess your point above on bold is what I was basing my opinion on.

You may be entirely right. Maybe during the 90's they filled it out much better than before. I wouldn't know about that, as I fully admitted. But from what I had seen of the character, it isn't anything all that strong in the batman mythos, especially for people who are casual fans (as most people who see the movie likely are) rather than hard-core fan-boys.

So I stand by this opinion, but remain hopeful that Nolan pulls this off better than I think he will.

Hence, with yet another film iteration, and the fact that I have been sorely underwhelmed by the female leads in the new Batman series so far, and add in that I have never been impressed with Hathaway as either an actress nor considered her particularly sexy, I do not have high hopes for this one.
 
In the Batman storyline as I ma familiar with it, there are basically two women of recurring significance: Selina Kyle and Talia al Ghul. (daughter of Ra's). In different continuties/universe, each has had a child with Batman. I would not be surprised if they were combined into a single charater for the movie. It's been advertised as a conclusion; Batman retiring and getting married would make it that.
 
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In the Batman storyline as I ma familiar with it, there are basically two women of recurring significance: Selina Kyle and Talia al Ghul. (daughter of Ra's). In different continuties/universe, each has had a child with Batman. I would not be surprised if they were combined into a single charater for the movie. It's been advertised as a conclusion; Batman retiring and getting married would make it that.


but then they might have to do battle with this guy...

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In the Batman storyline as I ma familiar with it, there are basically two women of recurring significance: Selina Kyle and Talia al Ghul. (daughter of Ra's). In different continuties/universe, each has had a child with Batman. I would not be surprised if they were combined into a single charater for the movie. It's been advertised as a conclusion; Batman retiring and getting married would make it that.

Thalia al ghul is ALSO in dark knight rises
 
All I hope for in this movie is to be able to actually watch the fight scenes unfold. I doubt I'll get my wish, as Nolan's style is to make fight scenes as rigid, shaky, and annoying as possible. In his view, the less of a fight scene you see, the better. Too often in these batman movies you see Batman ready to fight a bad guy. The camera shakes, cuts, focuses on something else.... And the next thing you see is Batman flying to another building, train, or car with the bad guy disabled on the floor miles behind.

That fight scene at the end of Dark Knight vs the Joker should have been great. Unfortunately, I saw him being bitten by dogs more than actually fighting the joker. Then, at the very end, Two Face doesn't do a damn thing. He just gets knocked down and falls on some wood. Batman... Suffered a gun shot, yet survived??? Or did the gun shot miss??? But wasn't his suit lighter and left him more vulnerable to gunshots and knives? Or what the hell happened??? Saves Gordon's kid and falls down only to run away as the police come in to bust open the whole joint.

I really hope to actually see, enjoy, and understand the fight scenes in this next movie.

Oh, and could they please fix his voice in this one??? Sounded too exaggerated.
 
All I hope for in this movie is to be able to actually watch the fight scenes unfold. I doubt I'll get my wish, as Nolan's style is to make fight scenes as rigid, shaky, and annoying as possible. In his view, the less of a fight scene you see, the better. Too often in these batman movies you see Batman ready to fight a bad guy. The camera shakes, cuts, focuses on something else.... And the next thing you see is Batman flying to another building, train, or car with the bad guy disabled on the floor miles behind.

That fight scene at the end of Dark Knight vs the Joker should have been great. Unfortunately, I saw him being bitten by dogs more than actually fighting the joker. Then, at the very end, Two Face doesn't do a damn thing. He just gets knocked down and falls on some wood. Batman... Suffered a gun shot, yet survived??? Or did the gun shot miss??? But wasn't his suit lighter and left him more vulnerable to gunshots and knives? Or what the hell happened??? Saves Gordon's kid and falls down only to run away as the police come in to bust open the whole joint.

I really hope to actually see, enjoy, and understand the fight scenes in this next movie.

Oh, and could they please fix his voice in this one??? Sounded too exaggerated.

Uh, the Joker himself basically said getting into a fist fight with Batman would be pretty stupid.

And it VERY CLEARLY shows Batman getting shot in the lower right abdomen area.
 
Uh, the Joker himself basically said getting into a fist fight with Batman would be pretty stupid.

And it VERY CLEARLY shows Batman getting shot in the lower right abdomen area.

Of course Joker would lose to Batman in a fist fight. But they still fought at the end. That last fight scene was lame. Wayyyy too quick and the camera shots were just terrible.
 
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