I'm not for that. Reread the post.
Also, how you feeling about the wager? Seems like a good time to post this:
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I'm not for that. Reread the post.
Also, how you feeling about the wager? Seems like a good time to post this:
I'm not for that. Reread the post.
Also, how you feeling about the wager? Seems like a good time to post this:
I'm feelign fine and even if I wasn't I made the bet and I will honor it.
I say Romney takes FL, CO, N.C. and VA. at least. That gives him 257 and Obama 281. Over 20 and you win but I think Romney will squeak out one of OH, WI, NH or IA. even one of those states means I win the bet.
As for my comment that you just quoted, I was backing you up more than anything. Pointing out what it would really mean if we did what was being suggested by Nate.
SaltyDawg
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I agree that we have to protect civil libraries, even if a majority vote for it.
However, we're not talking about the USA here. What happens in Egypt isn't really any of our business.
And I'm not even sure we're talking about actual sharia law. As far as I know, we're just talking about Egypt electing a president who says he supports sharia law.
That is fine with me. The people of Egypt can elect whoever they want. It's still better than not having a say at all.
And their politicians can say they support whatever domestic policies they want. It's not really any of my business.
If he actually implements sharia law, then it is more of a concern. But to my knowledge that hasn't happened.
One of the main problems I have is how inconsistent we are. We do not care about civil liberties. We care about stability and having an in with countries that have a strategic importance to us.
If we truly cared about civil liberties then we would have placed a bigger importance on the atrocities in Africa.
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Haven't we learned from Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan yet that nation building doesn't work? We can't stuff American ideals and Democracy down peoples' throats.
Also, when we talk about nation building and civil liberties, why are we always talking about other nations? Has anyone visited the south? Anyone visited Detroit? Those areas are probably just as bad as any of these other countries and they're in our own county!
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Romney's still silent over cutting FEMA. Gee, I wonder why...
Another flip flop for the world's biggest waffle.
Another flip flop for the world's biggest waffle.
I don't know if you two have noticed or not, but a lot of people are dealing with a lot of pain over this storm. Can't we leave politics out of it for once in respect for them? Now is not the time to sling mud; it's time for Obama to do his job and get thanked for it & Romney to step aside and collect food to send.
I read an article recently on Al Qaeda occupying check points in Libya and forcing women out of vehicles they were driving. Not the best example but it is illustrative of how petty the radical end of this gets when it comes to women. In the more extreme end, a lady in Afghanistan was recently arrested along with a Jon for beheading her daughter-in-law for not sleeping with this guy while her son (the victim's husband) was out at work.
Detroit isn't building nuclear missiles. Yes, nation building sucks but what would you have us do about the nuclear threat? Or are you one of those types who think Obama, Bush, Clinton, and every member of related congressional committees is lying to us?
What is your solution?
I thought this was just a campaign stunt.
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N. Vietnam was building nuclear missiles? Iraq and Afghanistan too?
Link?
Lets name the last nation building project that worked out well. Please list.
To answer your question, you contain not invade. Iraqi containment was working splendidly and at a fraction of the fiscal and life price. Secondly, lets consider people as people and not just as enemies. These things don't happen inside of a vacuum. Iran wants WMDs about as much as we want them to have them. They're merely rattling their saber as N. Korea does. they don't actually plan on obtaining or using WMDs. They'll yell and flex with the motive of obtaining humanitarian aid, exactly as NK does. They want us to think that they're truly interested in obtaining nukes when in reality, they're just calling for a trade, "we'll stop developing this weapon (of which we're far away from obtaining) if you do/give us x."
I say, continue with the sanctions. If they somehow obtain a nuke, then let the surrounding countries deal with them. Right now, they have a common enemy with most ME countries, the evil "western" influences headed by the Great Satan, United States. Invading them only does further damage and increases the claim that we are seeking for world domination. Just look at how wonderfully it worked out when Iran wanted to use the excuse that we were heading the rebellions a few years back when in reality we did nothing. It took away that wild card that they constantly use because we're too quick to push the red button and interfere.
If Iran ever were to obtain a nuke, then all of a sudden that enemy shifts. Think Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, or anyone else wants Iran to have a nuke? Nope. Even if it meant the total destruction of Israel, think even the most bitter enemies of Israel would want to use a nuke and then have all that fallout fall on their own people? Nope.
That's why, sanction them, and if they still obtain a nuke, let time and pressure from surrounding countries keep them in check. The responsibility of having nukes alone is enough to keep them from using it. Just look at history. Only 1 country has actually used a nuke on another country.
The best thing we could do in the world right now is retract our overbearing influence, not enlarge it.
If folks in the ME or Africa want Democracy or better rights, then they must fight and obtain them by themselves. We cannot give it to them or fight their wars for them. This has been proven time and time again throughout history.
Detroit is economically and socially a dump. We're literally spending on average $3 billion in Egypt to help them out economically. Think Detroit could use $3 billion? Just the amount of money we've pissed away in the Iraqi War could have completely demolished and rebuilt Detroit and probably about another dozen cities in that region.
Civil liberties in the south? Racism, class warfare, and sex warfare run rampant. Didn't you hear? A rep from Missouri basically proclaimed that rape isn't rape unless it's real rape and that pregnancy through rape is god's will. How can we fight theocracies in Iran when our own is declaring a war on women?
Lets fix America first before we go waste more time, American lives, and money on foreign countries.
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I'm not for that. Reread the post.
Also, how you feeling about the wager? Seems like a good time to post this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM
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Are repubs going to finally evaluate their radical platform after they lose this election? Or will they continue to filibuster everything and bitch about how Obama buys off voters poor people, Mexicans, and women with promises of welfare checks, citizenship, and condoms?
I for one hope they come back down to earth. Eisenhower wants his party back. Moderation in all things and compromise isn't a dirty word.