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fishonjazz said:
Debates like this help me to remember why i hate politics so much..... The republican has an idea to fix whatever issue (taxes, war, poverty etc.), and the democrat automatically has to disagree and come up with a different idea and vice versa.
I would love to see either paul or biden say "great answer", or "thats a great idea, i would do the exact same thing" after one of them presents thier ideas. Instead because its Republican VS Democrat, they feel the need to just argue and fight against one another.
I long for a time when republicans and democrats are all the same team (america) and work together..... Hell i really long for the day when there is no such thing as republicans or democrats and there are only americans all working together to make a better country.
Doesn't seem like it will ever happen though, so until that time i say screw em both and screw politics in general. Im out
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I disagree. I see these debates as incredibly nuanced and getting to the bottom of the ever so slight differences between the two parties. Politics take each point to the extreme but the parties have incredible common ground, IMO. The things that irk me about each wing are way out there from the mainstream, and that is a very good thing. Winning Credit: American voter.

This is the reason I tend to enjoy the yearly presidential adress, where others absolutely hate it.
 
PKM said:
This part would help.
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Sure. But fact checking would kinda suck for RR.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWgYEkArxos

(hope I don't seem too forceful of my opinions...just trying to add a little humor with this one ;))
 
Sirkickyass said:
I for one liked Ryan's little jab about Biden being more than aware that the words don't always come out how you want them to.

I, for one, have always liked Boss Biden (a nickname my longtime law school roommate uniformly gave him). I openly fist pumped in a hotel room when he was announced as the Veep nominee.

Tonight, in many ways, showed the best and the worst of Biden. If someone's personal manner in terms of being totally unable to contain themselves when someone says something incorrect is going to upset you, that was on full display tonight. The pit bull that showed up tonight was also 100% who that guy has been at all times. Frankly in the early 2008 Democratic presidential primary debates I remember Biden repeatedly speedbagging Obama. In all honesty, I would have been very disappointed if he didn't speedbag Ryan.
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To be honest, I've hated Biden, thought of him as a joke (hyperbole), but tonight feel differently. I predicted a win for Biden, but I thought he was downright credible on the facts and understanding what the country's facing. I still don't like Obama, but I have to relent a bit on Joe.
 
CNN's polls amuse me, showing Ryan winning pretty much everything. I am not familiar with Biden AT ALL, yet saw him contrastingly as more presidential (if something aweful were to happen). Given my leanings, and previously expressed support for Ryan, it really surprises me viewers would see otherwise.

I am suspiscious of CNN's campaign strategy and this plays into the narative: are they worried enough to try igniting get out the democratic vote?
 
PKM said:
To be honest, I've hated Biden, thought of him as a joke (hyperbole), but tonight feel differently. I predicted a win for Biden, but I thought he was downright credible on the facts and understanding what the country's facing. I still don't like Obama, but I have to relent a bit on Joe.
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Interesting. His constant laughing seems to just be pissing conservatives off (from what I gather on FB).
 
franklin said:
CNN's polls amuse me, showing Ryan winning pretty much everything. I am not familiar with Biden AT ALL, yet saw him contrastingly as more presidential (if something aweful were to happen). Given my leanings, and previously expressed support for Ryan, it really surprises me viewers would see otherwise.

I am suspiscious of CNN's campaign strategy and this plays into the narative: are they worried enough to try igniting get out the democratic vote?
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Is this their internal focus group or a different instant poll?

I never pretend to know how any individual speech is going to be received by the unwashed masses. I might as well be throwing at a dart board.
 
franklin said:
CNN's polls amuse me, showing Ryan winning pretty much everything. I am not familiar with Biden AT ALL, yet saw him contrastingly as more presidential (if something aweful were to happen). Given my leanings, and previously expressed support for Ryan, it really surprises me viewers would see otherwise.

I am suspiscious of CNN's campaign strategy and this plays into the narative: are they worried enough to try igniting get out the democratic vote?
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Sirkickyass said:
Is this their internal focus group or a different instant poll?

I never pretend to know how any individual speech is going to be received by the unwashed masses. I might as well be throwing at a dart board.
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I can't see how a Ryan win can be factually justified. I agree with kicky that it's impossible to tell how masses of people will react/think.

Having said that, my personal view is a RB ticket may be the deal. ;)
 
Watching it now and Biden keeps interupting Ryan. Ryan should have something along the lines of "The way I was raised, interuppting someone is rude. I give you enough respect to let you finish. I expect the same.".
 
Bidne just said "I always say what I mean."

Ryan should have nailed him with "So you mean that the middle class has been buried for the last four years as you said they were?"
 
I really dislike how she cuts them off to get the other guy in. It just seems mishandled and like no guy can make his full point.
 
Stoked said:
Bidne just said "I always say what I mean."

Ryan should have nailed him with "So you mean that the middle class has been buried for the last four years as you said they were?"
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Yep, that struck me funny, as did a couple other examples.
 
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