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The elephant in the room (Rudy Gobert)

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Zach Lowe said this is the best Rudy has played on either end for his career
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I look almost all Minny game and have to agree. Rudy is even better than in Utah. The reason may not be necessary Rudy himself but guys around. Ant, Mac Daniels value defense, KAT move his a... as he never did before. Mike is Mike. NAW is a great defender as well. When i remember Don defense......
 
gomretat said:
Trading both Rudy and Donny never made sense to me and I have taken some shots for saying so. I have been surprised at how much energy this board has had about having "assets" and how comfortable many are with being crappy, especially when there was zero need to be crappy. Some teams are forced into it, we were not. I guess the small percentage of a chance to get a player that completely changes the trajectory of your team is very compelling to lots of fans. Trading one of the two and building around them with some great assets was a pretty simple path forward. Then you could debate on when and if to trade Royce, Bogey, Mike, etc. It is smply very difficult to come across the Rudy's and Donny's of the world by drafting. DL deserves more credit than he gets.
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Ya I have been one of the posters who thought trading both was great (considering what we got for them) and the right move but your point is very valid and might have been the better move.

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gomretat said:
Trading both Rudy and Donny never made sense to me and I have taken some shots for saying so. I have been surprised at how much energy this board has had about having "assets" and how comfortable many are with being crappy, especially when there was zero need to be crappy. Some teams are forced into it, we were not. I guess the small percentage of a chance to get a player that completely changes the trajectory of your team is very compelling to lots of fans. Trading one of the two and building around them with some great assets was a pretty simple path forward. Then you could debate on when and if to trade Royce, Bogey, Mike, etc. It is smply very difficult to come across the Rudy's and Donny's of the world by drafting. DL deserves more credit than he gets.
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If you are fine with being stuck in no mans land. The reality is that Mitchell had to be traded because we were quickly heading down the Hayward path with him. Keeping Rudy at that point just locks us in as an older middle of the pack team. Trading both guys was 100% the correct move. Where we ****ed up was not going full blown youth movement last year to jumpstart the rebuild. There is no reason that Olynyk and Clarkson should have been on the jazz roster last year and without them I think we are probably a mid 20 win team.
 
sip said:
If you are fine with being stuck in no mans land. The reality is that Mitchell had to be traded because we were quickly heading down the Hayward path with him. Keeping Rudy at that point just locks us in as an older middle of the pack team. Trading both guys was 100% the correct move. Where we ****ed up was not going full blown youth movement last year to jumpstart the rebuild. There is no reason that Olynyk and Clarkson should have been on the jazz roster last year and without them I think we are probably a mid 20 win team.
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I don't know man. If we'd done the Mitchell trade, kept Lauri, kept Conley, and used the picks we got from the Cavs to further build around Gobert/Lauri...
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Rudy made an 18' jumper last night lmao
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I always loved when he made a jumper on a game. Almost nothing would bring me greater joy during that era.

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MT Steve said:
I don't know man. If we'd done the Mitchell trade, kept Lauri, kept Conley, and used the picks we got from the Cavs to further build around Gobert/Lauri...
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That might have worked. No way to really know though.

If I could go back and have control to do it differently then I think I would still do all the trades we did.
What I would want to change would be to get more in the Conley, vando, naw, Beasley, two seconds for 1 protected first deal and get more for bogey.
But idk if that could have been. Just seemed like we lost in both of those trades.

Definitely should have made the Conley trade way sooner, rested dudes more, traded away Clarkson and KO and tanked harder. Also definitely shouldn't have traded Conley to the team that we want to suck bad.

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gomretat said:
Trading both Rudy and Donny never made sense to me and I have taken some shots for saying so. I have been surprised at how much energy this board has had about having "assets" and how comfortable many are with being crappy, especially when there was zero need to be crappy. Some teams are forced into it, we were not. I guess the small percentage of a chance to get a player that completely changes the trajectory of your team is very compelling to lots of fans. Trading one of the two and building around them with some great assets was a pretty simple path forward. Then you could debate on when and if to trade Royce, Bogey, Mike, etc. It is smply very difficult to come across the Rudy's and Donny's of the world by drafting. DL deserves more credit than he gets.
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That team in the last year of Don-Rudy had no soul. Intangibles matter. "I've never had a more depressing year as a sports fan . And I followed the late 1960s Phillies. That was not going to "self heal." It had to be blown up.
 
MT Steve said:
I don't know man. If we'd done the Mitchell trade, kept Lauri, kept Conley, and used the picks we got from the Cavs to further build around Gobert/Lauri...
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Nobody knew Lauri was going to be this good for us - and, of course, there's no way of knowing if he would have been with Gobert still there, although I think they would have been complementary pieces. But I think Danny planned on tanking last year, and we were just better than anyone thought.
 
MT Steve said:
I don't know man. If we'd done the Mitchell trade, kept Lauri, kept Conley, and used the picks we got from the Cavs to further build around Gobert/Lauri...
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We would have built a middle of the pack team just like before that was aging rapidly.
 
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