The Forgotten Man

[TroutBum]

Look at all of you getting your panties in a twist. There is no way this guy really feels the way he does, it's just not possible. He's only doing it to cause a stir and to sell paintings. You rejects are lapping it up. I'm just curious how many copies Duck Rogers and BeanClown have ordered for their friends and families.

 

[sirkickyass]

Hey Kicky, does it irritate you that the lawyer is depicted as evil in this painting?

Not really. If I got mad everytime someone insulted lawyers generally I'd never be happy. Some poeple seem to think it's a great zinger, Archie has used it approximately 500 times, but I don't care.

Edit: What's the difference between a school teacher and professor? I always thought they were the same. Professor just sounds a bit more professional....

Professors usually denote people with PhDs who teach at universities. There's a whole strain of conservatism that holds they are all liberal and destroying America. It's part of the anti-elitist trend in American conservatism.

Is this guy Mormon?

Yes. I did some looking into this last night but didn't want to post it because I figured some people would accuse me of playing "that card."

His artist bio on his website cites his BYU education and one of the first google hits on his name is a deseret books page where you can buy his paintings of LDS temples. Given some of his political ideology I'd guess he's part of the present John Birch Society segment in the LDS faith.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Also watched over by satan:

Supreme Court Judge
"Mr. Hollywood"
Liberal News Reporter
Professor
Pregnant Woman
Politician

My favorite part in that painting is all the specific supreme court decisions on the steps. Some of which are favorite conservative targets (Roe v. Wade) others of which are completely nutty inclusions (an 1816 case called Martin v. Hunter Lessee).

EDIT: The "college student" in the painting is holding a copy of "The Five Thousand Year Leap." Absolutely incredible.

why is martin v Hunter Lessee even brought up here? Wasn't the ruling exactly what the Constitution directs? Shouldn't the Supreme Court have authority over state courts? If not, then why even have a Supreme Court? Am I missing something?

Also, on the paining w/Barack Obama, read what he wrote about George Washington. He asks, "I wonder what he would think of the infringement upon our liberties today?"

Wouldn't the opposite actually occur? So many people are owning property now, receive education, voting rights.... anyway...

Serious question, why is Reagan so worshiped right now? Growing up, I hardly ever heard about him. I guess he was a likable President. He did some good things and some bad things.

Clinton kicked his ***. But it's almost like a cult thing right now. Is it because Republicans are trying desperately to find the last somewhat decent leader they had? Is it because their party has no future right now? Other than the radical tea party Sarah Palin jokes that no one likes?

 

[Archie Moses]

Some poeple seem to think it's a great zinger, Archie has used it approximately 500 times, but I don't care.

I could careless if you're a lawyer. I believe there are a few others on the board as well. The thing I don't like about you isn't your profession, it's because you're a condescending **** know-it-all. Yeah, you can take that to the bank.


*I'll give you credit where credit is due. You're smart, hella smart. Too bad you got to be such a clown about it though. Lawyer seems to fit you pretty well I'd say.

*Prepares for a 8 paragraph lawyer style counter argument.

 

[moevillini]

Why would that change your opinion of the ACLU? That seems right in their wheelhouse. Do you think he shouldn't have had the right to paint the picture?

I personally would have taken that case.

actually, there was another local case a few years earlier that the ACLU had gotten involved in that pissed me off and this just seemed to be the icing on the cake. the picture is pretty disgusting - - of course the artist has a right to paint whatever he chose, and it's unfortunate the situation played out the way it did. As I recall, originally it was just shown in a showcase of student work within the school, and it was only planned to be on display for a few days, and not available for public viewing.

It just seemed to me that emotions were running pretty high at the time, and the painting was not originally supposed to be part of the exhibit anyhow, but the student who painted it and a few of his friends hung it anyhow, and then started agitating about their "rights to free speech" when the school requested it be taken down. A friend of mine was an administrator at the School of the Art Institute at the time, and she said many of the museum staff felt the painting should not be exhibited beyond the original scope of the student showcase, but that there was a bit of a power play going on between the museum and the school.

Looking back now, I'd probably see it the other way, although as I recall, the comments of the artist did nothing to engender any sympathy or support, and my attitude was influenced by that as well.

 

[sirkickyass]

I could careless if you're a lawyer. I believe there are a few others on the board as well. The thing I don't like about you isn't your profession, it's because you're a condescending **** know-it-all. Yeah, you can take that to the bank.

My only point was that you use it as an insult on the merits consistently, regardless of what you actually intend when you say it. That doesn't change my overall point that if I got upset everytime someone used "lawyer" as a perjorative I'd never be happy. And obviously, Archie, I give your opinion of me the due weight it deserves.

 

[sirkickyass]

actually, there was another local case a few years earlier that the ACLU had gotten involved in that pissed me off and this just seemed to be the icing on the cake. the picture is pretty disgusting - - of course the artist has a right to paint whatever he chose, and it's unfortunate the situation played out the way it did. As I recall, originally it was just shown in a showcase of student work within the school, and it was only planned to be on display for a few days, and not available for public viewing.

It just seemed to me that emotions were running pretty high at the time, and the painting was not originally supposed to be part of the exhibit anyhow, but the student who painted it and a few of his friends hung it anyhow, and then started agitating about their "rights to free speech" when the school requested it be taken down. A friend of mine was an administrator at the School of the Art Institute at the time, and she said many of the museum staff felt the painting should not be exhibited beyond the original scope of the student showcase, but that there was a bit of a power play going on between the museum and the school.

Looking back now, I'd probably see it the other way, although as I recall, the comments of the artist did nothing to engender any sympathy or support, and my attitude was influenced by that as well.

The wiki article has a pretty different story, including police officers and city officials coming on site to confiscate and damage the painting. If true, that seems like a classic free speech case particularly as it applies to satirizing government officials.

At the appeals level that case got the most famous non-Supreme Court judges in the country. Two of them, Posner and Easterbrook, have frankly probably been more influential in the judicial community than most of the Supreme Court justices over the last 20 years. That's some heavy duty firepower.

 

[moevillini]

yeah, definitely from reading what's on wikipedia (in the main article on "Mirth & Girth" - not the more general article I linked), I don't object to the ACLU picking up the case. But that seems to be a pretty simplified version of the events. As I recall though, there was some discussion about displaying that picture that went on before the whole thing became public. Now I want to talk to my neighbor who'd been working there at the time to see what she remembers!

kind of interesting to go back through this stuff in a way,
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the above link is one cited by wikipedia, from what I recall, not only was this painting not done in class, it had never been turned in for a grade and was not part of his "school-work" and that's part of the reason it wasn't supposed to be displayed.

 

[Slappfisk]

https://www.mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom/?artpiece_id=353

Beautiful piece of art, has me lost for words.

 

[Scat]

Serious question, why is Reagan so worshiped right now? Growing up, I hardly ever heard about him. I guess he was a likable President. He did some good things and some bad things.

I can answer this question in part. I grew up during the Nixon, Ford, Carter & Regan administrations. During the 70's America was in a funk. There was this dark, depressing feeling that was almost palpable in the air. The feeling was the worst during Carter's time in office. The US had just left Vietnam, went through Watergate, was in a recession, had oil embargos that left you waiting in line for gas hours at a time, Iran was holding numerous Americans hostage & we were at the height of the cold war. It was just an ugly time. To this day when I hear the 70's mentioned I get this feeling of bleh.

Under Regan this all changed. He constantly spoke of America's greatness and generally made you feel proud to be an American. For lack of a better term, he cured America's self image.

 

[YB85]

I can answer this question in part. I grew up during the Nixon, Ford, Carter & Regan administrations. During the 70's America was in a funk. There was this dark, depressing feeling that was almost palpable in the air. The feeling was the worst during Carter's time in office. The US had just left Vietnam, went through Watergate, was in a recession, had oil embargos that left you waiting in line for gas hours at a time, Iran was holding numerous Americans hostage & we were at the height of the cold war. It was just an ugly time. To this day when I hear the 70's mentioned I get this feeling of bleh.

Under Regan this all changed. He constantly spoke of America's greatness and generally made you feel proud to be an American. For lack of a better term, he cured America's self image.

Dammit, how can you consider yourself a conservative and not know how to spell his name?

But Marcus nailed it. Reagan lifted America's spirits, though many would argue that his fiscal policies continued the spiral. As a liberal conservative, I believe Reagan was the right man at the right time.

 

[Scat]

Dammit, how can you consider yourself a conservative and not know how to spell his name?

LOL I have a friend named Regan so whenever I type Ronnie's name I always spell it like my friends.

But Marcus nailed it. Reagan lifted America's spirits, though many would argue that his fiscal policies continued the spiral. As a liberal conservative, I believe Reagan was the right man at the right time.

Do you get the same feeling now that you had during the 70's? I'm hoping that the right man at the right ime shows up in '12 and that we don't have to wait until '20.