The Jazz don't have much young talent...

[Ron Mexico]

I am not picking one over other. It's just an numeric statistical fact to those who argue that Exum is more athletic.

If you want Jazz to succeed at a high level you better hope both develop into at least above average starters. I think both of them can.

They are both very young and plenty of time to greatly improve.

Mitchell is a little more advanced and developed coming into the NBA. Exum was much more raw.

I think both can get to that borderline all star level. I'm hoping one can or both can exceed that. They both have potential to but who knows where they will get.

 

[elan_prodigy]

I am not picking one over other. It's just an numeric statistical fact to those who argue that Exum is more athletic.

Id agree DM is more AGILE but athletic is hard to define and we havent seen a healthy and strong X yet.

As far as speed, I dont put a lot of value in standardized test but Id bet my house that if it was a race down the court for a lose ball, Exum gets there first.

 

[MVP]

Id agree DM is more AGILE but athletic is hard to define and we havent seen a healthy and strong X yet.

As far as speed, I dont put a lot of value in standardized test but Id bet my house that if it was a race down the court for a lose ball, Exum gets there first.

I would disagree on the lose ball part. Athletic in basketball to me is pretty easy to define. Explosiveness, strength and speed is what you look at. And Mitchell is more explosive, stronger and quicker.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I would disagree on the lose ball part. Athletic in basketball to me is pretty easy to define. Explosiveness, strength and speed is what you look at. And Mitchell is more explosive, stronger and quicker.

They are lots of ways to be strong, fast, quick and so on that are all included in that statement that leads to its complexity. There isnt one type of strength. There is all sorts of types. There isnt just quick in one way. Reaction time, initial movement, how quick someone gets to full speed, what that top speed is, how long they can maintain that speed. Explosiveness also has a lot of factors. Mitchell looks good with a set two foot jump straight up. That is why his standing vert and max vert is great. That can lead to being a good jumper in the NBA but not necessarily, there is more to it. That doesnt factor in how long it takes an athlete to gather up the strength to jump high. How is his jumping off one foot? How is his second and third jump? How quick can he recover. Then we can get into the energy systems used and it gets even more complex.

The truth is Mitchell came into the NBA older and more developed. He is more mature and more physically developed coming into the NBA, partially because of his training age and partially because he is 2 years older then Exum coming in. Is he better at every aspect of athleticism? No. Is he better at some things? Yes. These are two different players that are going to be difficult to compare especially something as complex as athleticism that is not really comparable.

As someone who trains athletes for combine events I can definitively say those tests are not conclusive at determining who is more athletic. \

The best thing is that we have two incredibly young talented athletes with a high ceiling and lots of room to grow. Lets hope both hit their ceiling! Most players dont but these two have a lot of drive, a lot of tools and a good coaching staff to develop them. They are in a great situation. Exum just needs to get healthy. Mitchell just needs time on the court and a lot of it.

 

[MVP]

Mitchell looks good with a set two foot jump straight up. That is why his standing vert and max vert is great. That can lead to being a good jumper in the NBA but not necessarily, there is more to it. That doesnt factor in how long it takes an athlete to gather up the strength to jump high. How is his jumping off one foot? How is his second and third jump?

I thought max vertical is measured of one foot jump with running start? Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[MVP]

As someone who trains athletes for combine events I can definitively say those tests are not conclusive at determining who is more athletic. \

There is as well that thing call "eye test". Mitchell passes it with wow factor, especially compared to Exum.

 

[elan_prodigy]

There is as well that thing call "eye test". Mitchell passes it with wow factor, especially compared to Exum.

I like Mitchell but I must have missed all of his dunks in traffic, you know, being uber athletic and all... he's had some nice moves, good finishes, shown off his agility but nothing has made me say WOW in terms of his athleticism.

 

[MVP]

I like Mitchell but I must have missed all of his dunks in traffic, you know, being uber athletic and all... he's had some nice moves, good finishes, shown off his agility but nothing has made me say WOW in terms of his athleticism.

Check the last dunk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1lZZOV_rvE

 

[MVP]

Skip to nr. 1 dunk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj-iQvqz81E

 

[Ron Mexico]

There is as well that thing call "eye test". Mitchell passes it with wow factor, especially compared to Exum.

Both have shown me wow factor.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I thought max vertical is measured of one foot jump with running start? Correct me if I am wrong.

It is with a couple step start but you can jump off one or two feet. I did not watch Mitchell do the test but I am pretty sure he is one of the people who jumped off two feet.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I thought max vertical is measured of one foot jump with running start? Correct me if I am wrong.

You are wrong. It's just max vertical. How ever the player chooses to approach it, they can approach it that way.