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GVC said:
I was trying to be provocative.



I think you've missed my point. The asset base is worse today than it was when DL took control, and the team is terrible. He could have turned Al and/or Sap into something, and he could have tried to move young pieces for other young pieces/draft picks before they turned into pumpkins/were overpaid. In isolation, Gordo, favs and maybe Burks at their salaries aren't terrible. Those 3 getting $38mil per year combined is troubling. DL really hasn't done anything to this point. Neither Dieng+Muhammad for Burke+Gobert nor cap space from Al+Sap for Hood and what's likely to be a late 1st in 2017 look like moves that move the needle much at all. It's early, sure, but the returns thus far are ****. He's effectively been inactive each season from October through June.

I have mixed feelings about tanking. As it stands, the Jazz need more talent. DL should be trying to acquire that talent through trades, free agency and the draft. Overpaying the <25 players, letting everyone else walk, and crossing your fingers generally leads to becoming a perennial cellar dweller.
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No guarantees with rebuilding. Just the same, I'm fine with it considering the alternative of just trying to tread water. I'm excited about Exum and I like the scenario we're facing in the offseason. Guess we'll all just have to wait it out and see what happens.

GVC said:
As it stands, the Jazz need more talent. DL should be trying to acquire that talent through trades, free agency and the draft.
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I agree with this, however I see our greatest chance of returning to glory being high draft picks, and therefore at this point, trades that immediately improve us would be defeating the purpose. Same thing with FAs. I appreciate what looks to be a commitment to building through the draft, rather than trying to "remain relevant" and hope to get our next John and Karl by drafting in the teens.
 
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I can't believe we aren't NBA contenders after one year of a rebuild as well.

Coach Quinn? Yeah, fire that guy. He obviously has no idea what he's doing cause it doesn't take time to implement a system and make a bunch of young players good.

Dennis Lindsay? I hate that's he kept flexibility instead of being like the pelicans and locking everybody up!
 
freakazoid said:
No guarantees with rebuilding. Just the same, I'm fine with it considering the alternative of just trying to tread water. I'm excited about Exum and I like the scenario we're facing in the offseason. Guess we'll all just have to wait it out and see what happens.
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Trying to build a competitive team and win games isn't treading water. I actually enjoy watching basketball, but unfortunately for the third straight season don't have a team to watch.

The Jazz had two franchise players for ~20 years, and still didn't win a title. They fielded several contenders, and were almost always competitive and enjoyable before DL took over. This sit around and do nothing, while praying that a generational talent falls in your lap strategy is ********.

DL screwed up Al/Sap, he misread the market for Hayward, he overpaid Burks, and has done little else of note. Dante doesn't look like an NBA player right now.
 
Doublea said:
Dennis Lindsay? I hate that's he kept flexibility instead of being like the pelicans and locking everybody up!
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Uh...Gordo, Favs and Burks are locked up for ~$38mil per season combined. Al and Sap are better players than those 3.
 
GVC said:
Uh...Gordo, Favs and Burks are locked up for ~$38mil per season combined. All and Sap are better players than those 3.
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I disagree. A frontcourt relying on Al and Millsap aren't getting out of the first round, assuming they make the playoffs. Gordo, Favs and Burks are assets worth keeping.
 
freakazoid said:
I'm excited about Exum...
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Where do I get the Exum Beer Goggles so I can be excited too? He has done nothing, zip, nada all season, pre-season, at the world championships and in summer league.

Exum hasn't scored 20 in the last 8 Jazz games combined, despite averaging nearly 20 minutes per. He's shooting 23% from the field and 15% from 3land. He's averaging about 1 assist and 1 TO per. So exciting...
 
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r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t said:
Where do I get the Exum Beer Goggles so I can be excited too? He has done nothing, zip, nada all season, pre-season, at the world championships and in summer league.

Incidentally, Muhammad has scored 20 in three of his past five games. Exum hasn't scored 20 in the last 8 Jazz games combined, despite averaging nearly 20 minutes per. He's shooting 23% from the field and 15% from 3land. He's averaging about 1 assist and 1 TO per. So exciting...
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Good thing you aren't a GM or someone who has to evaluate talent.
 
Catchall said:
I disagree. A frontcourt relying on Al and Millsap aren't getting out of the first round, assuming they make the playoffs. Gordo, Favs and Burks are assets worth keeping.
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A team relying on Hayward, Favors and Burks isn't sniffing the playoffs, despite being paid $15mil more per season...
 
GVC said:
A team relying on Hayward, Favors and Burks isn't sniffing the playoffs, despite being paid $15mil more per season...
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Add a first-option scorer and 2-way player to that group and they'll be in the POs within 2 - 3 years.
 
Another team that's rebuilding quickly is Minnesota. Look at the young talent they've picked up---Wiggins, Bennett, Shabazz, Lavine, Dieng.

And, oh look, their record is actually worse than ours. That's what rebuilding looks like.
 
Catchall said:
Another team that's rebuilding quickly is Minnesota. Look at the young talent they've picked up---Wiggins, Bennett, Shabazz, Lavine, Dieng.

And, oh look, their record is actually worse than ours. That's what rebuilding looks like.
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All of those guys are playing on their rookie deals.
 
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