GVC
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Rebuilding quickly? The T-Wolves last made the playoffs in 2004. This is what fans are hoping for? Yikes.
The Jazz rebuild
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freakazoid
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What, by adding leftover FA vets to a team that isn't good? It's terrible strategy for anything other than treading water. Sorry, but I don't see a scenario where we fix our problems without getting a star player or two. Draft picks can also be traded, so maybe we trade our high pick next year in a deal for a star. Otherwise, it seems to me that you're saying you'd rather watch a mediocre team every year than gamble on something better. That's fine, and you certainly aren't alone, but I can't go along.
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Honestly, this is the line of thinking that leads a GM to think Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva would be good FAs to sign. Sometimes no moves are better than just trying to compete right now, future be damned.
freakazoid
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How about Houston? I remember being ridiculed for suggesting they had a good strategy by stockpiling assets. People thought they were nuts, and yet they pulled off a quick rebuild while we were busy chasing 8 seeds. I was also right about GS when everybody was demanding that a losing culture could not be overcome. On the other hand, you have teams like the Knicks who are always trading away their future because they absolutely have to win now.
GVC
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Hardly. A year after letting Al and Sap walk for nothing, the Jazz re-upped Gordo because you can't let players walk for nothing. Again, DL was handed a good situation, with two fringe all-stars and 4 lottery picks on rookie deals playing on a playoff team. He's turned that into overpaid young players who'll be lucky to combine to make 2 all star games on pace to win <30 games in consecutive seasons. He's neither traded nor traded for a decent player. His biggest free agent signing in 3 offseasons is Trevor Booker.
The team is virtually unwatchable. What's entertaining about waiting for the draft lottery every year?
GVC
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How about Houston? They haven't had a single sub-.500 team under Daryl Morey. Morey maximizes his assets, moving players before they leave for nothing or demand big contracts they won't live up to. He's the anti-DL.
The W's haven't had a top 5 pick since 2002. That team was built with mid-lottery picks, trades and in free agency.
DL seems to be emulating the Wolves, recent Kings and 90s Clippers. Should be a fun decade.
freakazoid
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Ok, we obviously aren't gonna see eye to eye on this, so time to agree to disagree. I think we are just fine right now and I'm willing to wait it out to who's right.
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I agree with the fact that mistakes have been made, but the biggest flub was KOCs during the lockout year. After that we were headed for a long rebuild, and I said so at the time, so I'm not at all surprised that that's where we are at.
GVC
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Which DL moves/decisions look like winners at this point? Is there really any reason to believe he's an above average GM?
freakazoid
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I thought matching Hayward was a mistake, and it may still end up being so, but I have to say it looks like a good move so far. I actually agree with your concerns about the money we're paying out, I just have my doubts about better options being available. As much as I was against matching Hayward, I don't think Utah had a lot of other options. The biggest thing for me is whether or not any of those contracts are untradeable, and right now I'm only slightly concerned.
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As for DL, you may end up being right, but I don't think you can make that call at this point. I still think we could be back in a big way by next year, but if it takes longer, I'm fine with it because sometimes building too quickly just results in a team that never gets past the first round.
GVC
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I have no issue with patiently building a good team. There are options other than sitting on your hands doing nothing or signing mediocre free agents to bloated deals, however. DL hasn't been particularly proactive to date.
He did nothing with Al and Sap, he was wrong about the market for Gordo, he overpaid Alec. Hell, his two lottery picks are players he didn't even get in for workouts. They also play the same position...poorly. Sure, things could look better by next year, but it just looks to me like the Jazz are in a worse position to rebuild now than they were when DL took over.
This is something that is bothering me as well... It seems like having players for workouts is very important in the scouting process - it lets you try specific things with them that you have worries about... This is not to say that those players we selected and didn't see workout won't turn out OK at the end, but it seemed worrying for me, too. I guess part of it is making those players to want to come work out, since we can't force them. It looks like the only player we selected and had for a workout in the last two years, we are loving so far(Gobert). I can't remember if Giannis came and worked out for the Jazz(anybody knows?). I can't believe he did and we chose not to get him...
freakazoid
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Honest question: What kind of dumbass expects a 19 year old to come in and have an immediate impact? And Lmao at AKMVP lurking to rep that post. Still rooting for Exum to bust because you're more of a fan of being right than you are of the Jazz. That's just sad.
There's a difference between waiting for na imediate impact and waiting for more than what he is providing. That doesn't mean he's a bust. He has shown some signs but some folks are over reacting on what he has shown.