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green said:
I almost put that in there, but at the end of the day, Lindsey drafted Burke and extended Favors. Lindsey chose to have those guys on the team this fall.

That was my logic. I'm ok with limited loyalty with this group. They aren't as good as we think they are. That's why I'd be willing to let half of the "core 4" go.
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True. I think extending Favors shows his loyalty and belief in Derrick. And everyone knew Gobert was a project. If anything, Rudy played better than expected.
I wouldn't necessarily say he has loyalty to Trey because he drafted him...whether or not it was his choice or Ty's. Likely Burke and MCW were rated close enough that he gave Corbin the final call and thus said Trey was "Ty's pick." But DL wouldn't hesitate for a second to make an upgrade at any position if the opportunity arose.
 
Doublea said:
A GM's job is to make a winning team, so I don't really think DL has anybody "safe".
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This.

but having said that, DL has said numerous times how he, the FO, and scouting staff are all really high on the compatibility of the core 5. I doubt he is going to give up on it for anything less than a deal to acquire franchise talent. Vets the caliber of Gortat and Buddinger can be had in FA.
 
My plan has us signing Gortat via FA. Randle is considers by many to have franchise talent.

Just sayin...
 
green said:
My plan has us signing Gortat via FA. Randle is considers by many to have franchise talent.

Just sayin...
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Yes, but the fact that you are trading our youngs before they are developed to free cap for those vets, when we currently don't need to.

Also, who in the hell views Randle as a franchise talent? I've heard potential all-star.

People are still debating wether Wiggins or Jabari will blossom into true franchise talents.


Randle's strengths already exist in Kanter's game, yet Kanter has the better measurements. Based on the 10k hours "outliers" model for developing greatness and reaching potential, Kanter still has a lot of untapped potential because of his unique background.
 
Core4 said:
True. I think extending Favors shows his loyalty and belief in Derrick. And everyone knew Gobert was a project. If anything, Rudy played better than expected.
I wouldn't necessarily say he has loyalty to Trey because he drafted him...whether or not it was his choice or Ty's. Likely Burke and MCW were rated close enough that he gave Corbin the final call and thus said Trey was "Ty's pick." But DL wouldn't hesitate for a second to make an upgrade at any position if the opportunity arose.
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The bolded part is a wise move... DL put that out there to deflect the blame if the pick goes bad. He knew last year that Ty would not be here today. If the pick works out then he still can "thank" Ty... (And if Ty were still here it was thus a hedge toward the player working out...)

this is sort of the same fanboard strategy of saying "I know so and so will suck as a player(for the Jazz), i'm just hoping he doesn't" - so you can have win/win. If the player sucks then you are nostrodomus, if the player is great then your team benefits (you benefit)
 
Sexual Favors said:
Yes, but the fact that you are trading our youngs before they are developed to free cap for those vets, when we currently don't need to.

Also, who in the hell views Randle as a franchise talent? I've heard potential all-star.

People are still debating wether Wiggins or Jabari will blossom into true franchise talents.


Randle's strengths already exist in Kanter's game, yet Kanter has the better measurements. Based on the 10k hours "outliers" model for developing greatness and reaching potential, Kanter still has a lot of untapped potential because of his unique background.
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Kanter is a good post player, but isn't nearly as quick in the post as Randle. He also isn't nearly as quick attacking the basket on face ups, and doesn't have Randle's ability to handle the ball and create off the dribble.

Kanter has things that Randle doesn't (size, soft touch on jumpshots), but they are very different players.

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seattlejazzfan said:
Kanter is a good post player, but isn't nearly as quick in the post as Randle. He also isn't nearly as quick attacking the basket on face ups, and doesn't have Randle's ability to handle the ball and create off the dribble.

Kanter has things that Randle doesn't (size, soft touch on jumpshots), but they are very different players.

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I disagree. After watching a full season of Randle, it is clear that his handles were overrated. He might be quicker, but he is not the athlete originally advertised. Randle really relied on bully ball, which I think most people will admit, that due to size, Kanter has more potential with. It's also not like Kanter can't face up his oppnent. Reference the dunk on Deandre Jordan, and all of his rainbows from 18 ft.

Kanter can't pass out of double teams consistently yet, but neither could Randle.

Point is, trading Burks and Kanter to get Randle and some vets is crazy when you think about it. We could get vets in FA at the MLE, keep our guys, picks, etc. we should only entertain trades for upgrades, not crossgrades and downgrades.
 
Sexual Favors said:
This.

but having said that, DL has said numerous times how he, the FO, and scouting staff are all really high on the compatibility of the core 5. I doubt he is going to give up on it for anything less than a deal to acquire franchise talent. Vets the caliber of Gortat and Buddinger can be had in FA.
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Ummm, they've expressed doubt that Favors and Kanter could play together. And nothing we saw this season, which granted wasn't much (due to Ty's marvelous rotations), has indicated otherwise.

Not saying they can't, but a draft of one of the PF's or Embiid could mean an eventual trade of Kanter - or Favors. Likewise, if Hayward can't play the 3, then picking Exum as a combo guard might signal a trade of Hayward (S&T) or Burks.
 
Sexual Favors said:
Yes, but the fact that you are trading our youngs before they are developed to free cap for those vets, when we currently don't need to.

Also, who in the hell views Randle as a franchise talent? I've heard potential all-star.

People are still debating wether Wiggins or Jabari will blossom into true franchise talents.


Randle's strengths already exist in Kanter's game, yet Kanter has the better measurements. Based on the 10k hours "outliers" model for developing greatness and reaching potential, Kanter still has a lot of untapped potential because of his unique background.
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Is there anyone not on this board that had Kanter pegged as an All Star?
 
Core4 said:
Ummm, they've expressed doubt that Favors and Kanter could play together. And nothing we saw this season, which granted wasn't much (due to Ty's marvelous rotations), has indicated otherwise.

Not saying they can't, but a draft of one of the PF's or Embiid could mean an eventual trade of Kanter - or Favors. Likewise, if Hayward can't play the 3, then picking Exum as a combo guard might signal a trade of Hayward (S&T) or Burks.
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********. Unless by "they," you mean Ty Corbin who is no longer a part of this team. Dennis Lindsey said the assumption about Favors and Kanter not meshing was ridiculous and premature at least three times this year in interviews. Most recently on locker cleanout day. Kanter and Favors closed the season very strong when paired together. Also, DL stated numerous times how he thinks the core five have complimentary games to one another and how pleased he is with it. I get the impression you don't listen to his interviews on 1280, am I right?

I am not saying anyone is untouchable, but if any of them are traded, it will be in a package to acquire a franchise talent, not a crossgrade/downgrade, or over-the-hill vet.
 
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