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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Another win for the Conley trade
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If you look back now not much was lost (other than the theoretical opportunity to trade for a better player than Mike):
Korver: retired.
Crowder: signed for the minimum by the Bucks and barely playing at the end of last year.
Bazley: just waived by Brooklyn.
Kessler: came home to us.
So essentially all we lost was Grayson Allen, whom most here can live without.
 
Udidthizz said:
If you look back now not much was lost (other than the theoretical opportunity to trade for a better player than Mike):
Korver: retired.
Crowder: signed for the minimum by the Bucks and barely playing at the end of last year.
Bazley: just waived by Brooklyn.
Kessler: came home to us.
So essentially all we lost was Grayson Allen, whom most here can live without.
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And we got high level play for multiple years and another pick when we moved him (with other parts… but he was the centerpiece).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And we got high level play for multiple years and another pick when we moved him (with other parts… but he was the centerpiece).
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The net gain of the Conley tradewas massive. We wouldn't have been a top regular season team without him. He raised everyone's value which led to massive trade packages for Gobert/Mitchell and later on himself.
 
The opportunity cost of not having someone else besides Conley is what killed us. Don+Mike never had a chance. Adding terrible perimeter defense on top of that certainly didn’t help though.
 
The Conley trade worked out. But I feel like we should all remember how poor Mike's first year with the jazz went. That's the reason that many people got entrenched in their hatred of the trade. For a full year their suspicions of pushing ALL IN for Mike were confirmed.
 
Mike's first regular season was really bad, but it was probably his biggest playoff contribution (bubble year). He helped us win a lot of regular season games, but he got injured the next playoffs and was horrid in the DAL series. The definition of success is person to person so to each their own, but I still think we should have done better with those assets. There was a big obsession with getting a PG to play with Don. Realistically, Joe Ingles was the perfect backcourt partner all along and those assets should have been used for a different kind of player.

We would have done a lot better with Mike with a more well rounded roster, however, so I can't put all the blame on him. He was part of the defensive problem, but so was most of the roster and the FO decided to sit on their hands rather than mix it up. Too much investment in no defense players and backup C's. Really poor job of building around the strengths/weaknesses of Don and Rudy.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Injuries killed us.
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Maybe....maybe we beat DEN with Bogey, LAC with Conley healthy. Problem with that is those players didn't really help us with our biggest problems in those series, which was getting absolutely cooked on defense. But those two gave us a better chance in a shootout.
 
If the threshold is championship or the trade wasn’t successful then 99% of the transactions in the nba were failures. The Mike trade was a win… we just needed a bigger win.
 
All you Justise Winslow fans: He signed an Exhibit 10 today. That means the number five through ten picks of the 2015 draft are out of the league. That was the draft where the Jazz drafted Trey Lyles.
 
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