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framer said:
Part of the problem is that we cannot possibly use all of the picks we have coming. Some of them will HAVE to be traded. It is probably better to get ahead of that than wait for the last moment when our trade partners will jam is up.
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I disagree. There is no point in getting ahead of future picks when other teams would likely value those picks as later draft picks. Those picks aren't going to lose value with the current perception but they could gain a ton of value if key injuries happen to the wolves or cavs. We are much better off using our picks around draft time to either combine and trade up or trade out for another future pick which I bet is a likely scenario where we kick certain picks down the road further.
 
sip said:
I disagree. There is no point in getting ahead of future picks when other teams would likely value those picks as later draft picks. Those picks aren't going to lose value with the current perception but they could gain a ton of value if key injuries happen to the wolves or cavs. We are much better off using our picks around draft time to either combine and trade up or trade out for another future pick which I bet is a likely scenario where we kick certain picks down the road further.
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Stuff also goes in cycles. For a while teams flat out did not trade unprotected picks because it was too risky. So many teams have yolo’d picks that a few teams control an inordinate amount of the inventory. The value of those picks has much more upward mobility at this point.
 
sip said:
I disagree. There is no point in getting ahead of future picks when other teams would likely value those picks as later draft picks. Those picks aren't going to lose value with the current perception but they could gain a ton of value if key injuries happen to the wolves or cavs. We are much better off using our picks around draft time to either combine and trade up or trade out for another future pick which I bet is a likely scenario where we kick certain picks down the road further.
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Aside from injuries, there's the real possibility that the Cavs lose Donovan, and a real possibility that a money crunch hits Minnesota. I think those picks might be at their all-time low value right now.
 
sip said:
I disagree. There is no point in getting ahead of future picks when other teams would likely value those picks as later draft picks. Those picks aren't going to lose value with the current perception but they could gain a ton of value if key injuries happen to the wolves or cavs. We are much better off using our picks around draft time to either combine and trade up or trade out for another future pick which I bet is a likely scenario where we kick certain picks down the road further.
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I'm not advocating dropping them all off this offseason, but If you enter 2027 with 4 first round picks, you aren't going to get max value for them because everyone knows you aren't making 4 picks. It is also the uncertainty of the picks right now that brings them value. I wouldn't let the possibility of having 4 picks 3 years from now keep me from firing off one of them on a Josh Hart type of deal at a random trade deadline. Seems like a single first round pick at a trade deadline will get you something decent at a better (but more expensive rate) than just using a pick in the 20's or even late lotto. It is OK to use some of our pick stash like this to balance out risk.
 
Whatever happens in the playoffs I am sure Don is taking note that his first playoff game was Saturday at noon and tonight they got the 5 pm NBA TV treatment. Being on a solid team that has this small of a platform is not worth being the nice guy with the clean rep. Go on ahead and ask out.
 
framer said:
I'm not advocating dropping them all off this offseason, but If you enter 2027 with 4 first round picks, you aren't going to get max value for them because everyone knows you aren't making 4 picks. It is also the uncertainty of the picks right now that brings them value. I wouldn't let the possibility of having 4 picks 3 years from now keep me from firing off one of them on a Josh Hart type of deal at a random trade deadline. Seems like a single first round pick at a trade deadline will get you something decent at a better (but more expensive rate) than just using a pick in the 20's or even late lotto. It is OK to use some of our pick stash like this to balance out risk.
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Still 29 bidders so if people are low balling you there will be the threat of some other team swooping in. We are just really far away from worrying about that "problem" imo.

As @NAOS_pt2 mentioned... minny or cavs have some uncertainty hit this offseason and those picks increase in value. At this point time is very much on our side as we wait for some **** to hit the fan. Right now the fan is running smoothly and is completely **** free.

Having too many picks is like having too much cash. If you try to invest it all at once you might not get the best deals... so it will be inefficient a bit... but its one of the easiest problems to deal with. Right now just keep the cash until the best opportunities to invest become available. You also never know when the next crash or downturn happens and you may be able to capitalize in a BIG way if you stay patient.
 
Donny is in punk dillon brooks mode right now.
 
Oh I missed the earlier discussion.

We haven’t fully felt the pain of somehow getting two studs late in the draft and having a good team around them. And we maxed out at a second round exit after going all in.

It’s more disastrous than we talk about and the more time that passes before getting more studs in the draft, the more we will realize what an outlier that was. And how badly it was botched. I wanna sit down for a long talk with anyone who thinks the roster building after getting Mitchell and Gobert was near perfect.
 
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