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No… just no

@Saint Cy of JFC please tell me how Flip and Ihart are similar.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

@Saint Cy of JFC please tell me how Flip and Ihart are similar.

I think it's a possible outcome. The thing I like most about Flip is that I think he has a lot of different avenues to being a good player. I could see him developing into a Hartenstein-esque player. The passing instincts and toughness are similar. Hartenstein is *probably* an inch or two longer and maybe an inch taller, but very similarly sized overall. I think Flip is a better overall athlete with better perimeter defensive ability.

That being said, Hartenstein has developed into a really good defensive player. I would be surprised if Filipowski gets to that level, but the fact that Hartenstein has can give you a bit of hope for Flip.

 

[KqWIN]

As far as trends this playoffs...The first thing that jumps out at me is the overall talent on each team. There is so much talent and parity in the league today, it's great. The second thing is that there have been so many low scoring games. I think the shooting has been extra bad and that will level out, but I also think coaches are leaning on their defensive minded players more and the teams are way more prepared with a gameplan on how to defend. The difference between RS basketball and PO basketball continues to grow.

 

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I think it's a possible outcome. The thing I like most about Flip is that I think he has a lot of different avenues to being a good player. I could see him developing into a Hartenstein-esque player. The passing instincts and toughness are similar. Hartenstein is *probably* an inch or two longer and maybe an inch taller, but very similarly sized overall. I think Flip is a better overall athlete with better perimeter defensive ability.

That being said, Hartenstein has developed into a really good defensive player. I would be surprised if Filipowski gets to that level, but the fact that Hartenstein has can give you a bit of hope for Flip.

Hartenstein is a physical monster who is taller and a few inches longer than Flip. The calling card is what he’s doing on defense and he does enough things on offense to not hurt you. Flip will be the mirror image of that if he makes it. He will hopefully be a better more diverse offensive player that does enough on defense to survive. We’ve heard the KO Flip comps and I’m just not sure if you are comparing Flip to KO that you should also be noting Hartenstein as a comp too. This is not a knock on Flip per se I just think that comp is completely silly.

Flip got dump tricked by a 5-8 engineering student rushing the floor. Hartenstein would eat that kid whole. Mentality wise I don’t think they are the same at all. (This is all sarcasm for the lols so don’t get butthurt).

Side note - I remember the first time I saw Hart at summer league I immediately thought all 9 players hated him on the floor. His teammates and opponents. He was out there to absolutely bang dudes and be annoying.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

As far as trends this playoffs...The first thing that jumps out at me is the overall talent on each team. There is so much talent and parity in the league today, it's great. The second thing is that there have been so many low scoring games. I think the shooting has been extra bad and that will level out, but I also think coaches are leaning on their defensive minded players more and the teams are way more prepared with a gameplan on how to defend. The difference between RS basketball and PO basketball continues to grow.

Between the shift in officiating in season and the shift again in postseason the offenses struggling is not surprising. It is like 5 times more physical and refs are rarely calling the flopping they got so easily tricked on the past few years. The low scoring isn’t a surprise to me based on how the game is being officiated.

What sucks is you can’t bank on them being consistent with this and it makes a meaningful difference in how you shape your roster. If you told me this is what the league will be like I’d say get a bunch of rugged defenders that can shoot a bit and get in the mud. But then they will decide they want freedom of movement and start falling for all the foul baiting. I prefer the shot making and allowing guys to defend but enough low scoring and they will change their mind.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Also, I think Edey can play in the playoffs.

 

[KqWIN]

Between the shift in officiating in season and the shift again in postseason the offenses struggling is not surprising. It is like 5 times more physical and refs are rarely calling the flopping they got so easily tricked on the past few years. The low scoring isn’t a surprise to me based on how the game is being officiated.

What sucks is you can’t bank on them being consistent with this and it makes a meaningful difference in how you shape your roster. If you told me this is what the league will be like I’d say get a bunch of rugged defenders that can shoot a bit and get in the mud. But then they will decide they want freedom of movement and start falling for all the foul baiting. I prefer the shot making and allowing guys to defend but enough low scoring and they will change their mind.

It's more physical.....the officiating I see it both ways. Sometimes it feels like they let more go, other times I feel like they are calling just as much soft stuff. I see the biggest change being the improved schemes. I just don't think it's possible to gameplan well during an 82 season and/or it's not worth it.

 

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It's more physical.....the officiating I see it both ways. Sometimes it feels like they let more go, other times I feel like they are calling just as much soft stuff. I see the biggest change being the improved schemes. I just don't think it's possible to gameplan well during an 82 season and/or it's not worth it.

I think the perimeter guys in particular are getting away with so much more. Its subjective but these dudes would have fouled out in the first half during the Harden MVP era.

 

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Also, I think Edey can play in the playoffs.

That and if they aren't gifting as many fouls the post up points per possession formula starts to change. I think I'm moving him up... just not sure how high.

 

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If we hadn’t done the Collins deal I think we could throw a bag at IHart and get him. I’d rather pay him 20M a year than paying John 26m a year. I am not 100% sure they wouldn’t try and retain him there but I think that’s high enough to give them pause.

There might be better options but I think if we are going to get FA it would be a player in that tier.

 

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I think Donovan's future is in LA (Lakers or Clippers) or Miami.

Lakers, Nets, Heat... Clips don't have anything to offer.

Lakers can offer 3 picks, Reaves, Rui
Nets Johnson and Phoenix/Philly picks
Heat 2 picks, Herro, Jaquez is the tipping point there though. I also wonder if they would spin Jimmy off to a third team thinking he is washed and use some of the assets from that.

I think the Nets offer ends up being the best and he takes it to go home but I think the Lakers are in second.

Donny definitely lets them know he ain't signing an extension and tells them to move him this summer with a list. I can't imagine him and his team are thrilled about the NBA TV treatment and the coming 4 game sweep at the hands of the Celtics.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lakers, Nets, Heat... Clips don't have anything to offer.

Lakers can offer 3 picks, Reaves, Rui
Nets Johnson and Phoenix/Philly picks
Heat 2 picks, Herro, Jaquez is the tipping point there though. I also wonder if they would spin Jimmy off to a third team thinking he is washed and use some of the assets from that.

I think the Nets offer ends up being the best and he takes it to go home but I think the Lakers are in second.

Donny definitely lets them know he ain't signing an extension and tells them to move him this summer with a list. I can't imagine him and his team are thrilled about the NBA TV treatment and the coming 4 game sweep at the hands of the Celtics.

I would guess he gets to FA and signs. Think Cleveland is just going to hold on and hope they can win enough to convince him to stay.