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Timberwolves defense is back. So what is it, are Gobert and Conley performing better than they started…or did Randle suddenly not become the worlds worst player?
 
KqWIN said:
Timberwolves defense is back. So what is it, are Gobert and Conley performing better than they started…or did Randle suddenly not become the worlds worst player?
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My guess is Ant woke them up with his rant and everyone has stepped up their effort. Randle definitely had the most extra effort to give, but I think its probably a collective improvement.
 
KqWIN said:
Timberwolves defense is back. So what is it, are Gobert and Conley performing better than they started…or did Randle suddenly not become the worlds worst player?
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As i follow all Minny games, answer is quite simple :

They decide to play finally defense. Randle is making huge effort and the rest of the team of the team as well. ANT score way less but do a fantastic job in defense. When their defense is at this level, they are really good. And they got more weapons at shooting than last year. To be confirmed but they will probably up in the rankings. Funny how things change fast in NBA. 4 games ago, they play as lottery team level and last 3 games as contender.

Rudy is huge, tonight he was dominating all people. Mike remain Mike, back to his usual level, father age may have to wait a bit more. Not good news for our pick.
 
Jaanipoeg said:
Good for him.

One of the things that would be the hardest is if we churn through young guys and watch them break out when elsewhere, like Chicago with Lauri/WCJ/etc. I'd be happy for them got sure, but It would be bad for a franchise that is already a harder sell for young players
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That's why sometimes I wish we kept Quin as the coach. Say whatever about his rotation/game plan/in game adjustment, etc. But he's 10/10 when it comes to player development. After turning Rudy/Haywood/DM from nobodies into allstars, he's working the same magic with Jalen Johnson and now Dyson Daniels. He's perfect for a rebuilding team like us.

I will even go as far as saying he actually never let players break out elsewhere during his tenure. If you can't even make it under Quin, you not gonna make it in the NBA, period. Ochai would definitely have made it here if Quin was still the coach.
 
jom2003 said:
That's why sometimes I wish we kept Quin as the coach. Say whatever about his rotation/game plan/in game adjustment, etc. But he's 10/10 when it comes to player development. After turning Rudy/Haywood/DM from nobodies into allstars, he's working the same magic with Jalen Johnson and now Dyson Daniels. He's perfect for a rebuilding team like us.

I will even go as far as saying he actually never let players break out elsewhere during his tenure. If you can't even make it under Quin, you not gonna make it in the NBA, period. Ochai would definitely have made it here if Quin was still the coach.
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Do you really think Ochai is doing something different? He's just making his shots now. It's not like Utah/Hardy were asking him to do things he couldn't do. He just couldnt hit shots in Utah. I dont think his shot quality is all that much better in Toronto. He's just hitting them now.

Dyson Daniels is seemingly the same player he was in NOLA. He just getting more minutes now. His offensive numbers are actually worse this year than last year.

I think a Jalen Johnson breakout was inevitable no matter who his coach was.

Trae Young is having by far his worst season.

Kobe Bufkin still hasnt shown anything.

I think Quin is a fine development coach, but I wouldnt say it was anything otherworldly and Hardy has shown to be just as good in that space IMO.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Do you really think Ochai is doing something different? He's just making his shots now. It's not like Utah/Hardy were asking him to do things he couldn't do. He just couldnt hit shots in Utah. I dont think his shot quality is all that much better in Toronto. He's just hitting them now.

Dyson Daniels is seemingly the same player he was in NOLA. He just getting more minutes now. His offensive numbers are actually worse this year than last year.

I think a Jalen Johnson breakout was inevitable no matter who his coach was.

Trae Young is having by far his worst season.

Kobe Bufkin still hasnt shown anything.

I think Quin is a fine development coach, but I wouldnt say it was anything otherworldly and Hardy has shown to be just as good in that space IMO.
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Well, teaching guys to shoot is a part of player development, don't you think? We are also sitting at the bottom of the table when it comes to all kinds of stats related to shot quality. We as a team just aren't good at setting guys up or finding good looks for our players. If an off-ball 3D prospect like Ochai can't consistently find open looks and has to shoot highly contested jumpers, what do you think it would do to his confidence and shooting %? Raptors isn't exactly great in that area either but they are definitely better in that aspect.

Identifying players strengths&weaknesses, giving them the minutes they need and let them do what they do best are all huge factors for player development. Daniels showed flashes in NOLA but was never given the minutes or a consistent role needed for him to break out. His coaching staff let him down. Simple as that. That's why NOLA fans are regretting the trade big time.

And again, if Jalen was that great of a prospect and inevitable to break out, why would he drop all the way to 20th in the draft then spend the first two seasons of his career running on empty calories? Just so he can wait for Quin to arrive to credit him for his breakout? How nice of him.

Trae is having his worst numbers in scoring but he's also having his best season running the floor(career high in apg at 12) so I definitely wouldn't call it his "worst season". He's just playing a different game now.

And until Bufkin can show something else under a different coach I rest my case. Players had chances for years to let Quin “eat his crow” but they’ve done nothing but to prove that Quin was right. DedEx, Burke, Bolomboy, Oni, Doke, Tony Bradley, Jared Butler, Elijah Hughes, Juwan Morgan, Brantley, NWG. I think we got enough sample size at this point to say it's more just luck for Mr. Quin Snyder.
 
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jom2003 said:
Well, teaching guys to shoot is a part of player development, don't you think? We are also sitting at the bottom of the table when it comes to all kinds of stats related to shot quality. We as a team just aren't good at setting guys up or finding good looks for our players. If an off-ball 3D prospect like Ochai can't consistently find open looks and has to shoot highly contested jumpers, what do you think it would do to his confidence and shooting %? Raptors isn't exactly great in that area either but they are definitely better in that aspect.

Identifying players strengths&weaknesses, giving them the minutes they need and let them do what they do best are all huge factors for player development. Daniels showed flashes in NOLA but was never given the minutes or a consistent role needed for him to break out. His coaching staff let him down. Simple as that. That's why NOLA fans are regretting the trade big time.

Trae is having his worst numbers in scoring but he's also having his best season running the floor(career high in apg at 12) so I definitely wouldn't call it his "worst season". He's just playing a different game now.

And until Bufkin can show something else under a different coach I rest my case. Players had chances for years to let Quin “eat his crow” but they’ve done nothing but to prove that Quin was right. DedEx, Burke, Bolomboy, Oni, Doke, Tony Bradley, Jared Butler, Elijah Hughes, Juwan Morgan, Brantley, NWG. I think we got enough sample size at this point to say it's more just luck for Mr. Quin Snyder.
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Bro Ochai was wide open and missing shots last year. He was set up fantastically.

And again, Dyson is actually playing worse this year than last year (as far as efficiency goes), he's just getting more minutes.

ANd yes, it's Trae's worst season. You are doing some crazy mental gymnastics.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Do you really think Ochai is doing something different? He's just making his shots now. It's not like Utah/Hardy were asking him to do things he couldn't do. He just couldnt hit shots in Utah. I dont think his shot quality is all that much better in Toronto. He's just hitting them now.
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This is not exactly true. Ochai is not a totally different player but he improved in several areas: his finishing at the rim improved markedly and his assists per 36 moved up while the turnovers ticked down. And he is still trending up on that in the last several games (in the last 5 games he had 11 assists and 2 turnovers) so he still seems to be steadily improving.
 
jazznik said:
This is not exactly true. Ochai is not a totally different player but he improved in several areas: his finishing at the rim improved markedly and his assists per 36 moved up while the turnovers ticked down. And he is still trending up on that in the last several games (in the last 5 games he had 11 assists and 2 turnovers) so he still seems to be steadily improving.
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.7 more assist per 36 minutes.... .1 less turnovers....
 
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