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Kinda sorta- just remember how little Kessler helps the Jazz defensive numbers.
A player’s offensive capabilities seriously affect defensive numbers- if you’re clanging a bunch of three pointers, leading to fast breaks, or turn the ball over a lot, leading to a bunch of live ball turnovers, what does this do to your defensive numbers?
A made basket prevents a fast breaks and allows you to get into a set defense, and those numbers will always be better.
Add Luka to your team and his one and one D can be plenty awful, but his net effect on the teams net efficiency can still be very positive.
Looks like Cody might get a ticket to the NBA Finals this year.
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If that is the route they take then they may as well move Book this summer too. For the sake of our pick in 2031 I would rather they hold out longer (likely returning less) but if they get like Jabari Smith Jr. and 3 firsts plus salary flexibility... then they kissing what is left of Book's prime away. May as well cash that chip in.
I think we might be looking at the highest career peak of all time. Higher than MJ's. Jokic is gonna end up on NBA Mount Rushmore.
I am inclined to agree. With respect to SGA, Jokic would get my MVP vote, and it's hard to argue he wasn't the most valuable player after that Nuggets title run. He's a whisper away from winning 5 straight.
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Amazing video. So good.
It also just confirms what any intelligent person already suspected. Jordan and LeBron are the 2 greatest of all time and it's very close between the two.
I think it's safe to say jokic is the greatest offensive player of all time.
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I wouldn't jump to such conclusion yet. Lot of people asked what if prime Shaq lived in today's five out/threes orientated moneyball era. Well then you get Jokic.
Joker sorta benefited from the fact that there isn't a single big man who can match him one on one in this era so everything he does in the low post sorta gets magnified cuz opponents have no answer but to double up or even load up their entire defense on him which leaves his teammates wide open for the easy dish.
Imagine having someone like Duncan/Olajuwon/Shaq/Robinson/Ewing who can match him one on one. Then teams can simply stick to their defensive scheme and watch the two battling it out in the paint. Someone might say Embiid but tbh he is soft like charmin and not comfortable staying in the paint at all. For a player of his size he settles for jumpers way too often and played smaller than he actually is. Same goes for other bigs like AD/Kat/Bam/Sabobis who simply aren't strong enough or even reshaped their bodies specifically for the sake of “mobility” to meet the demand of the so-called “stretch bigs”.
Not saying Joker isn't great because being a “shaq” in the modern day NBA is still a huge compliment. But it's definitely a stretch to call him the greatest offensive player purely based on stats without context.