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[KqWIN]

Random Thought:

- How much would moving away from per game counting stats reduce soft tissue injuries to star players?

Not much, but maybe that's because I don't look at per game counting stats much myself.

I think the bigger issue is the pace of play and physical requirements of the modern game. Can't really be solved unless we reduce the amount of games played. When guys played all 82 regularly, it was a different sport.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not much, but maybe that's because I don't look at per game counting stats much myself.

I think the bigger issue is the pace of play and physical requirements of the modern game. Can't really be solved unless we reduce the amount of games played. When guys played all 82 regularly, it was a different sport.

And the NBA league office cares more about money coming in from TV and gambling and less about the players actual health. Load management being addressed before flopping and other things that are an actual issue is telling.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Not much, but maybe that's because I don't look at per game counting stats much myself.

I think the bigger issue is the pace of play and physical requirements of the modern game. Can't really be solved unless we reduce the amount of games played. When guys played all 82 regularly, it was a different sport.

I guess my thought was that if per game stats weren't important, then it would be in a players best interest to play a more optimal amount of minutes per game. I'm not 100% sure what that optimal number of minutes would be, but let's just say there are 20% more possessions or 20% more distance per minute, however you want to think of it, so players should play 20% less minutes in order to have the same impact.

Teams/Coaches would have to be on board with the minute reduction, but since this is a players driven league, if they demanded it, I could see that happening.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I guess my thought was that if per game stats weren't important, then it would be in a players best interest to play a more optimal amount of minutes per game. I'm not 100% sure what that optimal number of minutes would be, but let's just say there are 20% more possessions or 20% more distance per minute, however you want to think of it, so players should play 20% less minutes in order to have the same impact.

Teams/Coaches would have to be on board with the minute reduction, but since this is a players driven league, if they demanded it, I could see that happening.

I think you'd have to investigate when the injuries occur maybe. I think the dynamics of the game is the biggest culprit but that some changes to how many minutes or games played would all help some.

 

[KqWIN]

I've made this spiel many times before, but I really hope the NBA and it's fans can embrace the cup and/or multiple competitions going on throughout the season. It's not a bad thing for some games to be more important than others. If the NBA must have 82 games, not all 82 games should count for the same importance.

I actually love the games of "less importance" as a European Football fan. The stars may rest, but it gives opportunity for other players to play in a less pressing situation.

 

[KqWIN]

I guess my thought was that if per game stats weren't important, then it would be in a players best interest to play a more optimal amount of minutes per game. I'm not 100% sure what that optimal number of minutes would be, but let's just say there are 20% more possessions or 20% more distance per minute, however you want to think of it, so players should play 20% less minutes in order to have the same impact.

Teams/Coaches would have to be on board with the minute reduction, but since this is a players driven league, if they demanded it, I could see that happening.

I guess you'd have to ask the players and coaches, but I think the main reason why players play the amount of minutes they do is because it feels right on any given night. I don't think stars play ~36 minutes because it's optimal for their per game stat., I think they play ~36 minutes because for most players that's the optimal amount of minutes for them to play in order to win the game.

It's a weird dynamic because you kind of have to keep pace with the rest of the league. It would feel really bad to play your best players 28 minutes a night, for example, when the other team is still playing them 36 and winning because of it.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I think you'd have to investigate when the injuries occur maybe. I think the dynamics of the game is the biggest culprit but that some changes to how many minutes or games played would all help some.

I believe this is the case as well. I think less minutes could only help though.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I guess you'd have to ask the players and coaches, but I think the main reason why players play the amount of minutes they do is because it feels right on any given night. I don't think stars play ~36 minutes because it's optimal for their per game stat., I think they play ~36 minutes because for most players that's the optimal amount of minutes for them to play in order to win the game.

It's a weird dynamic because you kind of have to keep pace with the rest of the league. It would feel really bad to play your best players 28 minutes a night, for example, when the other team is still playing them 36 and winning because of it.

Yes, but there are many times when the game is not in question and the star player will enter the game in the 4th quarter with the only reason that I can think of, which is to maintain per game stats.

Then, there is the situation with Lauri this year where our team is not going anywhere and we are playing him huge minutes anyway. If per game counting stats didn't effect his ability to get in to all star games or all nba teams it would be in his best interest to play less minutes.

Obviously your point is mostly correct in that these are competitive people who want to play every minute and win every game. I think there would have to be real science/data behind an optimal amount of minutes per game before any significant changes would happen.

 

[fishonjazz]

Told y'all about Edey

And I told y'all about edey the year before he even declared for the draft.
I was told he might be a second round pick when I brought up that I thought he could be pretty good

 

[KqWIN]

Yes, but there are many times when the game is not in question and the star player will enter the game in the 4th quarter with the only reason that I can think of, which is to maintain per game stats.

Then, there is the situation with Lauri this year where our team is not going anywhere and we are playing him huge minutes anyway. If per game counting stats didn't effect his ability to get in to all star games or all nba teams it would be in his best interest to play less minutes.

Obviously your point is mostly correct in that these are competitive people who want to play every minute and win every game. I think there would have to be real science/data behind an optimal amount of minutes per game before any significant changes would happen.

Yeah idk. Only the players and coaches could answer that. I know that players did not want to reduce to 40 minute games in large part because of stats, so you might have a point. I don't know what moving away from per game stats looks like though. I already have, but the players don't care what I think lol.

 

[KqWIN]

Told y'all about Edey

"One of the worst picks in draft history"

LOL

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And I told y'all about edey the year before he even declared for the draft.
I was told he might be a second round pick when I brought up that I thought he could be pretty good

I did. Admittedly I wasn't really "hyping him up" though. I simply said something like "this huge center from Purdue looks really good. How do you guys think he will do in the NBA?". Also like HH said you weren't the only one who dismissed Edey as a non factor in the future of the NBA.

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