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The off-season strategies (Jazz have limited options)

LoPo said:
I think we are looking at paying the tax in 21-22. Don's extension+Rudy's extention+Joe+Royce+Clarkson maybe+Bojan+anything else we add. Rudy and Don alone could be $60+. Since we are likely in the tax area in 21-22, I see no reason to go barely over for the upcoming season. Going into the tax one time is okay. Repeater tax has to be avoided. I don't think our FO goes there.

Olynyk is unlikely, but worth the question. Who knows what Miami does, but it will be aggressive. I wouldn't be shocked if they pursued somebody like Beal this summer and then Giannis next summer.

Ariza is also unlikely, but he's a good fit for what we need.

Ed Davis for Hezonja makes perfect sense for both teams honestly. It keeps Lillard happy and gives them a much needed extra big since Collins is always hurt. For us, we save money and we shouldn't have to use a pick to get this done. Hezonja upgrades our bench even if only marginally.
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Ed would fit into a trade exception they have. If we want to get some room under the cap we could offer Ed plus 3.5M in cash to just take him. Basically like them getting him for the minimum. They will operate over the cap but really aren't in danger of going into the tax.

That move just doesn't make us any better unless we sign someone with our exceptions. The guys I'm seeing at the full MLE type level are not guys I love. I'd almost rather shop for value at a lower level using part of the MLE. Say you offer Shaq Harrison a 4 year 12M deal (this doesn't happen often but has potential to get value). Its a little risky because of the length but has upside if his shooting last year is closer to the player he will be. Could probably justify that deal based on defense alone.

Paying a premium for a basic backup big isn't ideal... but then I look at the wings in the Full MLE group and its not great. If a player is close to that level you usually end up having to throw the entire MLE at them.

Thad is really interesting to me and I think he's gettable (in part because of his contract/age). I also just don't see a guy like Baynes playing a big role late in the playoffs... even Favs locks you into one style of play. I could see Thad playing on either team. Even guys that many love like Derrick Jones aren't playing in the finals because he's too light in the shorts and doesn't shoot it well enough. The defensive versatility is really enticing and I think he could have a different role as a backup 5 that might help him be at least semi-useful on that end.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Ed would fit into a trade exception they have. If we want to get some room under the cap we could offer Ed plus 3.5M in cash to just take him. Basically like them getting him for the minimum. They will operate over the cap but really aren't in danger of going into the tax.

That move just doesn't make us any better unless we sign someone with our exceptions. The guys I'm seeing at the full MLE type level are not guys I love. I'd almost rather shop for value at a lower level using part of the MLE. Say you offer Shaq Harrison a 4 year 12M deal (this doesn't happen often but has potential to get value). Its a little risky because of the length but has upside if his shooting last year is closer to the player he will be. Could probably justify that deal based on defense alone.

Paying a premium for a basic backup big isn't ideal... but then I look at the wings in the Full MLE group and its not great. If a player is close to that level you usually end up having to throw the entire MLE at them.

Thad is really interesting to me and I think he's gettable (in part because of his contract/age). I also just don't see a guy like Baynes playing a big role late in the playoffs... even Favs locks you into one style of play. I could see Thad playing on either team. Even guys that many love like Derrick Jones aren't playing in the finals because he's too light in the shorts and doesn't shoot it well enough. The defensive versatility is really enticing and I think he could have a different role as a backup 5 that might help him be at least semi-useful on that end.
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Good post.

I definitely think Thad is gettable and I think he improves our bench. My issue is his contract. I hate that 21-22 year. If we completely struck out in our MLE hunting, then I could see us going after Thad.

However, that 21-22 year sticks in my head as a really, really bad number for a 34 year old SF/PF we don't know fits. Almost everybody loved the Ed Davis signing, and he is going to make less than $10 million over two years. If we miss on Thad as badly as we missed on Davis, we just screwed up two seasons.

I think we have to go younger with any addition we make. Every team in contention this year minus the Lakers throws 3 or 4 young or mid-20's guys out there disrupting play, hustling and playing with energy. I love the Shaq Harrison idea. He's another Royce type player and we need a few of those. At the very least, we have to add one or two quality defensive wings.
 
LoPo said:
Good post.

I definitely think Thad is gettable and I think he improves our bench. My issue is his contract. I hate that 21-22 year. If we completely struck out in our MLE hunting, then I could see us going after Thad.

However, that 21-22 year sticks in my head as a really, really bad number for a 34 year old SF/PF we don't know fits. Almost everybody loved the Ed Davis signing, and he is going to make less than $10 million over two years. If we miss on Thad as badly as we missed on Davis, we just screwed up two seasons.

I think we have to go younger with any addition we make. Every team in contention this year minus the Lakers throws 3 or 4 young or mid-20's guys out there disrupting play, hustling and playing with energy. I love the Shaq Harrison idea. He's another Royce type player and we need a few of those. At the very least, we have to add one or two quality defensive wings.
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I'd actually like to see if we can split the MLE into multiple players in that Shaq Harrison type tier (guys that are somewhat proven, have some upside but could be fluky) and offer 4 year deals. If you can land a youngish roster piece at 4/12M its a big win... you may not hit on all of those picks but if you went 50% you'd be in good shape.

Not a lot of potential targets like that where I think they require more than a minimum deal because they are restricted but teams might not want to go out that many years because they aren't sure how good they are... another name in that group for me would be Jordan McLaughlin... small guard who played really well. Athletic and seems like a smart player. Not something we absolutely need right now, but if JC walked or we opted to move Conley he could have a decent role. Minny likely matches a reasonable offer, but 4/12M would give some pause I'm sure.
 
I saw an interesting trade idea on bleacher report. Not giving it any credibility given the source but I liked the trade.

Utah gets Oladipo and McDermott

Indy gets Conley, Ingles and the 23 pick


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Cptgrnlngs22 said:
I saw an interesting trade idea on bleacher report. Not giving it any credibility given the source but I liked the trade.

Utah gets Oladipo and McDermott

Indy gets Conley, Ingles and the 23 pick


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Oladipo is quite good... I just wonder how well he'd mesh with DM. I think with ball handlers you get diminishing returns in some cases. Vic looked bad this season and likely plays much better next year, but maybe he doesn't bounce back from the injury.

Not sure what kind of return Indiana gets for him but I'm sure this would upset Pacers fans. I'm thinking this becomes a buy low for the Raptors... could see Masai doing a sign and trade with FVV and trying to capture lightning in a bottle again.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Oladipo is quite good... I just wonder how well he'd mesh with DM. I think with ball handlers you get diminishing returns in some cases. Vic looked bad this season and likely plays much better next year, but maybe he doesn't bounce back from the injury.

Not sure what kind of return Indiana gets for him but I'm sure this would upset Pacers fans. I'm thinking this becomes a buy low for the Raptors... could see Masai doing a sign and trade with FVV and trying to capture lightning in a bottle again.
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Buddy Hield also wants out of Sacto bad.
 
homeytennis said:
Buddy Hield also wants out of Sacto bad.
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Big names I think are traded this offseason:

- Buddy Hield
-Victor Oladipo
-Gordon Hayward
- Al Horford
-Chris Paul
 
God, I'm so disappointed with the damn Jazz this year. This year was our year with Conley and Bojan but it didn't happen. Next year, the Warriors are back and the hated Lakers there too. We folded too early and the NBA got woke.
 
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I listen to the Rights to Ricky Sanchez Podcast (a sixers podcast...kind of) because those guys are pretty funny and they honestly are sixers fans who hate the sixers more than we do... so its kinda fun. Anywell... those guys are always saying they need someone that can dribble and create a reliable shot. They mentioned "even like Jordan Clarkson" and its kinda been rattling around in my head... would we do a sign and trade sending out JC and getting back Josh Richardson (a guy the RTRS guys always say is good but not a great fit with the roster).

I really like JC but wonder if you can't get maximum value by bring Mike off the bench in that bench scorer role. I think Mike could do it while distributing a little, but not on as much scoring volume as JC. Richardson adds a solid perimeter defender... streaky shooter and can create a little. IDK, just throwing something else against the wall.

I get the feeling that JC really exceeded DL's expectations with regard to fit and production... just kinda something I sensed in his after season interviews. Not sure he got him thinking they'd keep him... thought maybe he'd help but the expiring contract was pretty appealing.
 
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