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The Official Blow up the team thread.

LunaticWolf said:
Because we have a glut of bigs that all need time.

Meanwhile, the Jazz are trying to maximize their assets, and you bitch.
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How are they maximizing their assets. What the hell does that mean?

Millsap and Al are not assets a team will give us anything for.

Do you not get that?
 
LunaticWolf said:
More in-depth but more or less what I was saying. This is what your agent does.

Why were you saying wrong then?
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The issue isn't age. Between 02/03 and 07/08 (Deron signed his extension after the 07/08 season), the salary cap increased by an average of 6.65% per season. The 08/09 season saw an increase of 5.6%. If the cap were to increase by 3.1% each season over the first 3 years of a rookie contract extension with max raises (under the terms of the 2005 CBA), a max contract starting at 30% of the cap (starting in what would be the 4th year) would yield a higher salary than the extension in year 4 (with the same raises of 10.5%).
 
LunaticWolf said:
Benching Al and Millsap for Favors and Kanter is throwing them out. You are telling teams, "Hey, we don't want these players anymore. Give us **** for them." If you pretend like you are going to keep them it creates more value for them.
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If the Jazz don't dump Al or Sap, I'm holding you to being critical of the organization. I don't think it will happen, but I'm just saying.
 
LunaticWolf said:
Benching Al and Millsap for Favors and Kanter is throwing them out. You are telling teams, "Hey, we don't want these players anymore. Give us **** for them." If you pretend like you are going to keep them it creates more value for them.
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Those guys are on expiring deals. Teams will sign them for free.

Let's see two deals for those players that another team would do and we would want.

I'm intrigued.
 
I've wasted a lot of time here today because I'm bored, so Ima peace. At least Wolf gave us something to talk about.
 
LunaticWolf said:
Benching Al and Millsap for Favors and Kanter is throwing them out. You are telling teams, "Hey, we don't want these players anymore. Give us **** for them." If you pretend like you are going to keep them it creates more value for them.

Not to mention if a team really wants one of them, and they feel like they can't (or really can't) pick them up in FA, they acquire his bird rights.
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Those guys are not Bird rights players.

Not even close.
 
Durrrr said:
Those guys are not Bird rights players.

Not even close.
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Bird rights allows you to sign a player if you are over the salary cap.

That's useful for any player who would sign above the MLE, which last I checked would apply to both Paul and Al.
 
Okay, one last post.

Durrrr said:
Those guys are on expiring deals.

Teams that would have anything we would want for them are also teams that can sign them for free in the offseason.

Let's see two deals for those players that another team would do and we would want.

I'm intrigued.
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This is a simplified, hyperbolic sentiment, but generally accurate. I would add that being stubborn about return value on Al (or Sap, or whatever vet) isn't going to be the difference between getting a little or getting a haul, but it could easily be the difference between getting a little something and opportunities for players that haven't reached their ceilings and absolutely squat.

Al is not going to get you much, but he's better than some other expiring players and some teams might throw in SOMETHING that the Jazz could potentially use (take a pick of or mix and match late 1sts, 2nds, or rookie-scale player that isn't getting chances [because they're likely buried under veterans where THEY are at as this would likely be a playoff team that is less concerned with development or whatever). The opportunities for Favors and Kanter - notwithstanding that it would force the offense to open up - is worth it alone.
 
Wolf.

For the Jazz sake, I hope you are right.

I hope there is a team with a GM as stupid as Billy King that would give up a lottery pick for a player they could have signed for free in the offseason ( a trade widely regarded as the worst in recent memory)

I'm just thinking that is not going to be the case with these two guys. I hope you are right and would expect you to shove it in our faces. I'd happily eat crow if we pulled off something like that.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Okay, one last post.



This is a simplified, hyperbolic sentiment, but generally accurate. I would add that being stubborn about return value on Al (or Sap, or whatever vet) isn't going to be the difference between getting a little or getting a haul, but it could easily be the difference between getting a little something and opportunities for players that haven't reached their ceilings and absolutely squat.

Al is not going to get you much, but he's better than some other expiring players and some teams might throw in SOMETHING that the Jazz could potentially use (take a pick of or mix and match late 1sts, 2nds, or rookie-scale player that isn't getting chances [because they're likely buried under veterans where THEY are at as this would likely be a playoff team that is less concerned with development or whatever). The opportunities for Favors and Kanter - notwithstanding that it would force the offense to open up - is worth it alone.
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Last sentence is why this is what I wanted long ago.

I think the Jazz wanted to give Favors more time but have been stubborn about the return on Al or Paul and will end up with nothing. They have probably wanted more but teams aren't willing to do it.
 
Durrrr said:
Wolf.

For the Jazz sake, I hope you are right.

I hope there is a team with a GM as stupid as Billy King that would give up a lottery pick for a player they could have signed for free in the offseason ( a trade widely regarded as the worst in recent memory)

I'm just thinking that is not going to be the case with these two guys. I hope you are right and would expect you to shove it in our faces. I'd happily eat crow if we pulled off something like that.
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We're not going to get a lottery pick out of it, you have to hope we can get an under appreciated player who we can turn into something.
 
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