The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

[Jazz4ever]

Why should former felons be left with fees that prevent them from voting? The ballot bill that was passed made no such requirement. Why should felons who have paid their debt to society in prison time be left with financial debts which prevent them from voting?

Why would it be a crime for philanthropists to pay off those debts? If you think it’s a political bribe, couldn’t a Republican philanthropist have done the same thing?

I don’t get it. Why don’t you want these people to be able to vote? Why continue to keep these people down after they’ve left prison? Won’t leveling more fines and preventing them to vote only encourage them to engage in crime to make ends meet? Have you thought this through?

C'mon now, it looks like he was specifically targeting past Democratic voters. And why is he only doing it in Florida, which is obviously the biggest battleground state. An investigation is under way, so we will find out more soon, but it smells rotten.

 

[Deleted member 365]

C'mon now, it looks like he was specifically targeting past Democratic voters. And why is he only doing it in Florida, which is obviously the biggest battleground state. An investigation is under way, so we will find out more soon, but it smells rotten.

because felons recently were given their voting rights back and republicans then engaged in taking them away with poll taxes. Why didn’t Republican philanthropists help out?

btw, this isn’t a Bloomberg operation. Lebron james and others kicked in too. Why didn’t any republicans help out? Why don't Repubs want POC to vote?

 

[Deleted member 365]

They did not slap fines on them. Felons are required to pay the fines, court costs, etc., that have been assessed against them before they are allowed to vote. I think that's BS and as long as the felon is not in default on whatever fines they owe I think they should be allowed to vote.

But regardless, you've completely mischaracterized what's going on. Not only did you go off on a number of falsehoods, you don't address in any way a former Democratic Presidential candidate paying these fees for people to enable them to vote. It looks a lot like paying for votes.

I get what you're saying. You're right, they didn't slap fines on them. But what they did do is make a law that took away their voting rights until those fines were paid off. Thus, enacting a poll tax. Which essentially defeats the entire point of the ballot initiative that was passed.

Article Here

One of the most inspiring victories of the 2018 elections was in Florida, where voters approved a constitutional amendment that re-enfranchised an estimated 1.4 million people with felony convictions. In a state where gubernatorial and Senate races were decided by fractions of a percentage point, a transpartisan coalition propelled Amendment 4 to a landslide victory with 65 percent of the vote. It was an unexpectedly decisive outcome that showed how some issues really do cross partisan politics — and a powerful example of democracy working as it should.

It should surprise no one, then, that Florida Republicans are determined to thwart the will of the people.

This month, the Florida legislature passed along partisan lines a bill that requires former felons to clear new financial hurdles before they become eligible to vote. Amendment 4 plainly stated that most people with felony convictions would regain their rights upon completing “all terms of their sentence including parole or probation,” but under the Republican legislation, they will also be obligated to pay related fines, fees and restitution.

If Repubs merely cared about recovering those fines, they could have left it as is. Instead, they want to disenfranchise voters of color. A poll tax.

While I understand your concerns over bribery, I don't quite buy their concerns. Republicans didn't have to tie paying off these fines to voting. Especially since the whole point of the amendment was to restore their voting rights. Any Republican could have stepped in to restore these voting rights through paying off these fines. Why didn't they? And there's no guarantee that these voters will vote Democratic. Lebron James chipped into this fund. While I know he's not BFFs with Trump, he's not exactly an advocate for Democrats. Personally, I think Trump attempting to bribe seniors by promising $200 dollar prescription cards for seniors, shoveling billions in farm handouts, passing tax cuts that benefit major donors, and handing out pardons are more explicit bribes than this.

If Dems and Repubs want to get into a bidding war for paying off the debts of felons so they can vote, I say have at it! The more people voting, the better, right?

I think if repubs hadn't tried to disenfranchise these voters, I'd be more open to their bribery concerns. But since they haven't acted in good faith, I feel like their concerns over this being bribery is just another bad faith argument to try to keep POC unable to vote. So I see this as them getting their just desserts. You sow the wind, now reap the whirlwind (a certain justice once told me that).

 

[colton]

 

[Gameface]

A bit early for an October surprise, but with early voting I guess it's gonna be a September surprise from now on.

 

[Comrade in Seattle]

What do all these disgusting Christians have against felons anyways? The bigotry is astounding.

 

[colton]

 

[Deleted member 365]

So true. Why the hell wasnt Trump imprisoned years ago? As a country, we waste so many resources imprisioning people for carrying weed yet let crooks like Trump off easily.


Honestly, maybe this is the plan? Maybe trump is going to use this as leverage? @colton called this out years ago about the risk of Trump blowing off the emoluments clause.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Great article

 

[Avery]

I don’t think his taxes are going to really matter. Quite honestly, if him paying low taxes is really the thing that turns you away from him, you haven’t been paying attention.

 

[Gameface]

I don’t think his taxes are going to really matter. Quite honestly, if him paying low taxes is really the thing that turns you away from him, you haven’t been paying attention.

People keep looking at the low amount he paid. I don't think that's the story here. I think the story is that he sucks at business and has been losing money hand over fist for almost 20 years. He's as incompetent at business as he is at being President.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I don’t think his taxes are going to really matter. Quite honestly, if him paying low taxes is really the thing that turns you away from him, you haven’t been paying attention.

i think him showing massive amounts of debt leaves him open to criticism/scrutiny. Especially when we know he receives massive influxes of Russian cash. Is that why his foreign policy always favors the Russians? Because they bail him out financially?