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The name “swine flu” was accepted without objection in 2009 but today the name “Wuhan virus” or “Chinese coronavirus” is deemed racist. The only difference between the two virus names is who occupies the White House.

When the analysis is so brilliant that it equates "swine" and "Wuhan" as being equally racist, all I can say is "American Unthinker".
 

Political Jazz Fan

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The name “swine flu” was accepted without objection in 2009 but today the name “Wuhan virus” or “Chinese coronavirus” is deemed racist. The only difference between the two virus names is who occupies the White House.

When the analysis is so brilliant that it equates "swine" and "Wuhan" as being equally racist, all I can say is "American Unthinker".
Pick out the most irrelevant piece in the article and critique it. You are an idiot.
 

sirkickyass

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It's a very weird impulse to react to everything that's happening with a reflexive defense of Donald Trump personally. Is there any real argument that this is going well, or in any comparable to another crisis in our lifetimes?
 

Catchall

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It's a very weird impulse to react to everything that's happening with a reflexive defense of Donald Trump personally. Is there any real argument that this is going well, or in any comparable to another crisis in our lifetimes?
The reality with this virus is that the federal government probably under-reacted for high-risk areas like New York and San Francisco, and probably over-reacted for places like Utah, Kansas and North Carolina where the infection rate is extremely low.

Given that the virus spreads from person to person without their even knowing (since they don't show symptoms) the only way to prevent the spread is social distancing, and the government has been very aggressive about achieving that. In the absence of an approved drug, the treatment protocol is essentially the same as it would be for pneumonia or other respiratory distress. There need to be enough hospital beds and respirators to handle cases that require intensive care. New York and California are at risk of reaching their hospital capacity, so that's the problem that needs to be addressed most urgently. It looks like with the hospital ship and the Army Corps of Engineers building makeshift hospital capacity, at least some of that will be addressed.

New York is an absolute nightmare during a pandemic, not just because of people's dependence on taxis, subways and elevators, but because these large apartment buildings with central air are almost tantamount to the Princess cruise ships for spreading the virus. There's just no such thing as social distancing in Manhattan. I expect that New York alone will account for the majority of cases and deaths when the dust settles.

Whether this administration does well from here will depend on whether it can help mitigate the short and long-term economic consequences, which appear to me to be worse than the health crisis itself.

FWIW, The Hill was reporting this morning that Trump's approval rating has gone up 10 points in the last week, from 45% to 55%.
 

Red

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Extended version, with the followup from another reporter. This is nuts, and how much crazier will it get at this rate?

 

Political Jazz Fan

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How about not worrying about Obama and his admin's response to H1N1.
I worry about the media kissing Obama's *** during a worse health crisis and dragging down Pres. Trump at every turn. The recent example is this question from an NBC reporter. No one is showing the politically charged question he asked before the one it shows.The media got the sound bite it wanted and is running with it now. The media is dragging the country and our economy into the toilet.
 

Gameface

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The reality with this virus is that the federal government probably under-reacted for high-risk areas like New York and San Francisco, and probably over-reacted for places like Utah, Kansas and North Carolina where the infection rate is extremely low.

Given that the virus spreads from person to person without their even knowing (since they don't show symptoms) the only way to prevent the spread is social distancing, and the government has been very aggressive about achieving that. In the absence of an approved drug, the treatment protocol is essentially the same as it would be for pneumonia or other respiratory distress. There need to be enough hospital beds and respirators to handle cases that require intensive care. New York and California are at risk of reaching their hospital capacity, so that's the problem that needs to be addressed most urgently. It looks like with the hospital ship and the Army Corps of Engineers building makeshift hospital capacity, at least some of that will be addressed.

New York is an absolute nightmare during a pandemic, not just because of people's dependence on taxis, subways and elevators, but because these large apartment buildings with central air are almost tantamount to the Princess cruise ships for spreading the virus. There's just no such thing as social distancing in Manhattan. I expect that New York alone will account for the majority of cases and deaths when the dust settles.

Whether this administration does well from here will depend on whether it can help mitigate the short and long-term economic consequences, which appear to me to be worse than the health crisis itself.

FWIW, The Hill was reporting this morning that Trump's approval rating has gone up 10 points in the last week, from 45% to 55%.
Is that Trump's overall approval rating or the approval of his handling of COVID-19 this week vs last week.

FWIW I approve of the fact that Trump is no longer calling COVID-19 a hoax.
 

magic

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If this was Obama and he did the same exact things as Trump, CNN, MSNBC, and other sites besides FoxNews would be applauding his effort. And FoxNews would be bashing his effort. There is no such thing as unbiased reporting nowadays.

The reality is only 237/18,755 people so far have died from the coronovirus. That's only 1.26%. And probably at least 5 times the people actually have the virus, but exhibit little or no symptoms. So statistically speaking, the majority of people are overreacting.
 

Red

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The media has white washed the reporter's initial politically charged question. This is all BS.

This is NOT the full video.
Right. Except Trump was in fact promoting false hope, and that's why Alexander's questions caused him to melt down. Furthermore, the question Trump blew up on was a softball question delivered on a silver platter. Alexander gave the president the opportunity to say something reassuring, and Trump blew it. So please, don't be ridiculous....

Alexander's question was completely appropriate, not politically charged at all. Like Harry Truman said, "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen". It is YOU who are leaving out relevant parts of the briefing!! YOU left out what happened immediately before Alexander's "false hope" question.

Why the hell would anybody think Trump must somehow be protected from tough questions? News flash: it comes with the job. Duh!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...d-him-calm-scared-americans-terrible-n1165031

"Trump’s latest personal broadside on the media came at a news briefing in which he appeared to minimize the fears of the American public by saying there was cause for optimism about drug therapies for coronavirus — treatments that one of his top government scientists had said were not at all proven.

At the Trump administration's coronavirus task force's daily briefing, Trump’s director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Dr. Anthony Fauci, made clear that any evidence about drug therapies being tested at the moment was strictly “anecdotal” and not the product of a “clinical trial.”

“You really can’t make any definitive statement about it,” Fauci said.

Moments earlier, Fauci was asked whether there was any evidence that one such drug— hydroxychloroquine — might be used as an effective prophylactic measure against coronavirus.

"The answer is no," Fauci replied.

Trump nevertheless said that he felt "good" about the treatments and that the federal government had already ordered "millions of units" of them.

NBC News’ Peter Alexander, a White House correspondent and a weekend anchor of "TODAY," then asked Trump whether his “positive spin” regarding the potential treatments was giving Americans false hope.

“Is it possible that your impulse to put a positive spin on things may be giving Americans a false sense of hope?” Alexander asked.
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Trump, pissed that Alexander recognized false hope when he saw it, blew his chance to show empathy with a softball gift wrapped and handed to him.

"What do you say to Americans who are scared, though? I guess nearly 200 dead, 14,000 who are sick, millions, as you witnessed, who are scared right now. What do you say to Americans who are watching you right now, who are scared?"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/20/national-crisis-president-incapable-empathy/

"You may say that this is a less important part of the job of president than actually running the government and making good decisions. But every president is called upon to reflect and tend to the country’s psyche, sometimes over limited traumas and sometimes over larger ones. And when they do it well, we remember it for years, even decades.

So we remember Bill Clinton’s speech after the Oklahoma City bombing. We remember George W. Bush’s impromptu speech at Ground Zero in New York:

I can hear you, the rest of the world hears you, and the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!

We remember Barack Obama wiping away a tear as he spoke of the children murdered in Newtown, Conn.:

This evening Michelle and I will do what I know every parent in America will do, which is hug our children a little tighter, and we’ll tell them that we love them, and we’ll remind each other how deeply we love one another. But there are families in Connecticut who cannot do that tonight. And they need all of us right now.

We remember Ronald Reagan addressing the nation’s schoolchildren after the Challenger disaster, telling them he knew they were confused and hurt, but adding:

The future doesn’t belong to the fainthearted. It belongs to the brave. The Challenger crew was pulling us into the future, and we’ll continue to follow them.

Trump will never deliver great rhetoric, because he isn’t a good orator and the people who write his speeches aren’t very good either. But Trump is so focused on himself that he can’t even understand when he’s being given an opportunity to express empathy, as Peter Alexander gave him".
 
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fishonjazz

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Is it true that the Justice Department has lost Flynn's records? Flynn is no Jack the Ripper. I doubt he would have gone through all of this if he hadn't been associated with Trump. They fried the guy mostly because they believed breaking him would be a key to taking down the president.
Who is "they?”. The judge and or jury that convicted and sentenced him?

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