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Joe Bagadonuts said:
So you are in favor of the Obamagate inquiries. Good to know.
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Haven't seen any smoke. Even Trump when asked about it had no information or details.

I'm cool with the investigations that took place regarding Hunter Biden. And the result of zero indictments zero convictions zero guilty pleas. I'm cool with the investigations that took place regarding Hillary and her emails. And the result of zero indictments zero convictions and zero guilty pleas.
I'm cool with the investigations regarding the trump team and Russia. And the result of numerous indictments numerous convictions and numerous guilty pleas.



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Joe Bagadonuts said:
The target was Flynn, not Trump. Do you have any idea what the wrongdoing was? I'm confident that if a Trump or Bush led FBI were to run this sort of an operation against an incoming Democratic administration that the vast majority of you who can't comprehend the problem would suddenly think it was an earth-shatteringly terrible abuse of power.
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You really need a better news diet Joe.

The problem with this whole theory is that Flynn's calls were "masked." The process of "unmasking" is literally "we dont' know who is making that phone call, but the underlying information is troubling and we need to know who it is."

By definition you can give an order to "unmask Michael Flynn" because then he'd already be unmasked. If you look at the documents that were declassified the dates don't even make sense because the unmasking requests were made months before Flynn had the famed phone call with Kislyak. The requests were most likely about troubling conversations he was having regarding Saudi Arabia or Turkey.

Flynn was an unregistered foreign agent of Turkey. Flynn was an unregistered foreign agent of Russia. Flynn tried to sell the physical body of a legal US Resident to the Turkish government using his official position. Flynn undermined the sitting administration and conducted backchannel diplomacy with a foreign adversary. Flynn lied about it when asked.

Literally none of the above is even contested by Flynn or by the Barr filing. That you've gotten yourself into a tizzy that Flynn is the real victim here just means you've outsourced your opinion making onto third parties.
 
fishonjazz said:
Haven't seen any smoke. Even Trump when asked about it had no information or details.

I'm cool with the investigations that took place regarding Hunter Biden. And the result of zero indictments zero convictions zero guilty pleas. I'm cool with the investigations that took place regarding Hillary and her emails. And the result of zero indictments zero convictions and zero guilty pleas.
I'm cool with the investigations regarding the trump team and Russia. And the result of numerous indictments numerous convictions and numerous guilty pleas.



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We have very different perspectives on all of this. Just take Hunter as an example. What investigation are you talking about? Can you send me a link to his testimony? It appears to me that you are satisfied that a non-investigation produced a non-result.
 
sirkickyass said:
You really need a better news diet Joe.

The problem with this whole theory is that Flynn's calls were "masked." The process of "unmasking" is literally "we dont' know who is making that phone call, but the underlying information is troubling and we need to know who it is."

By definition you can give an order to "unmask Michael Flynn" because then he'd already be unmasked. If you look at the documents that were declassified the dates don't even make sense because the unmasking requests were made months before Flynn had the famed phone call with Kislyak. The requests were most likely about troubling conversations he was having regarding Saudi Arabia or Turkey.

Flynn was an unregistered foreign agent of Turkey. Flynn was an unregistered foreign agent of Russia. Flynn tried to sell the physical body of a legal US Resident to the Turkish government using his official position. Flynn undermined the sitting administration and conducted backchannel diplomacy with a foreign adversary. Flynn lied about it when asked.

Literally none of the above is even contested by Flynn or by the Barr filing. That you've gotten yourself into a tizzy that Flynn is the real victim here just means you've outsourced your opinion making onto third parties.
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I am not in a tizzy, but I also do not think your facts are correct. There is probably a typo in the first sentence of your second paragraph. I am also not familiar with the accusation that Flynn was selling someone's body. That sounds quite unlikely.

My understanding is that Flynn was led by the FBI to believe he was in violation of the Logan Act (an obscure act which no American has ever been convicted of) and that many of his subsequent actions, including his guilty plea, were the result of that. I assume you are okay with all of the leaking of info in this case and others. That turned out to be a very common and very effective tactic of the anti-Trump crowd. I believe that it was quite successful in creating chaos for the incoming administration, and I also believe that it was illegal. I'm sure you don't care about any of that, though.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
We have very different perspectives on all of this. Just take Hunter as an example. What investigation are you talking about? Can you send me a link to his testimony? It appears to me that you are satisfied that a non-investigation produced a non-result.
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You sound like you are upset at Trump for not doing an investigation that was satisfactory to you. I guess there just wasnt enough smoke to warrant an investigation. We all know Trump would love to pin something on a Biden. Too bad there was nothing there for him.

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Joe Bagadonuts said:
I am not in a tizzy, but I also do not think your facts are correct. There is probably a typo in the first sentence of your second paragraph. I am also not familiar with the accusation that Flynn was selling someone's body. That sounds quite unlikely.

My understanding is that Flynn was led by the FBI to believe he was in violation of the Logan Act (an obscure act which no American has ever been convicted of) and that many of his subsequent actions, including his guilty plea, were the result of that. I assume you are okay with all of the leaking of info in this case and others. That turned out to be a very common and very effective tactic of the anti-Trump crowd. I believe that it was quite successful in creating chaos for the incoming administration, and I also believe that it was illegal. I'm sure you don't care about any of that, though.
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You believe that it was illegal. Well I'm certain that your beliefs carry tons of weight in the courts so surely Obama will be in prison soon for many horrendous crimes.

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fishonjazz said:
You sound like you are upset at Trump for not doing an investigation that was satisfactory to you. I guess there just wasnt enough smoke to warrant an investigation. We all know Trump would love to pin something on a Biden. Too bad there was nothing there for him.

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You were the one who claimed there was an investigation. All I am saying is that you were wrong.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I am not in a tizzy, but I also do not think your facts are correct. There is probably a typo in the first sentence of your second paragraph. I am also not familiar with the accusation that Flynn was selling someone's body. That sounds quite unlikely.

My understanding is that Flynn was led by the FBI to believe he was in violation of the Logan Act (an obscure act which no American has ever been convicted of) and that many of his subsequent actions, including his guilty plea, were the result of that. I assume you are okay with all of the leaking of info in this case and others. That turned out to be a very common and very effective tactic of the anti-Trump crowd. I believe that it was quite successful in creating chaos for the incoming administration, and I also believe that it was illegal. I'm sure you don't care about any of that, though.
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Flynn was involved in a plot to kidnap Fethallah Gulen for $15 million. This was part of his association with Turkey. This has been in the public record for more than two years. They just aren't talking about it on Fox.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/10/michael-flynn-trump-turkish-dissident-cleric-plot

Your understanding is wrong. Flynn made a single plea to a false statements claim in exchange for not being charged with a variety of crimes, including FARA violations. There is no dispute that Flynn was acting as an unregistered foreign agent of Turkey and Russia.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/flynn-fisa-and-fara-foreign-principals-and-agents-foreign-powers

The Right wing people have a short memory. They want to make the entire thing about the one charge that Flynn plead to in exchange for dismissing all of the other charges they had him dead to rights on. It's comically in bad faith.

Flynn is a traitor. He's not the victim in this story. The allegations that he was framed make no sense if you read the documents.

Think for yourself! Read widely! Imagine that!
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
You were the one who claimed there was an investigation. All I am saying is that you were wrong.
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We talked about Hunter Biden/Burisma ad nauseum months ago. I presented you with tons of background information about the recent history of Ukraine, the leadership of Burisma, and timelines regarding what happened. There's nothing to investigate.

You have all the information available to you, you've just chosen to believe what feels truer to you (that Biden is corrupt) than what the information says is accurate.
 
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