The official "let's impeach Trump" thread
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Including my family and the vast majority of everyone I know. I've tried and failed to change minds.
Avery
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Only thing left to do is drain the bank account/401k, max out their credit cards, steal the best car and head for the hills. Seems like an acceptable response.
D
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why?
Red
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One Elie Mystal of The Nation pulls no punches...
www.thenation.com
“Trump and his administration should be treated like mass murderers. Vanity Fair reports that Jared Kushner may have decided to scuttle a national testing plan because the deaths were, at the time, heavily skewed towards “blue” states with Democratic governors. If true, that behavior should be viewed as a crime against humanity. No, it is not the killing fields; it is not the Armenian genocide; it’s not the gulag or any number of recent horrors of history. But I would argue that it could meet all three elements required to go before the International Criminal Court: It’s persecution against an identifiable group, as well as an inhumane act “intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health”; it’s a systemic “attack” against a civilian population; and it’s done with knowledge of the attack.“
www.vanityfair.com
“But the effort ran headlong into shifting sentiment at the White House. Trusting his vaunted political instincts, President Trump had been downplaying concerns about the virus and spreading misinformation about it—efforts that were soon amplified by Republican elected officials and right-wing media figures. Worried about the stock market and his reelection prospects, Trump also feared that more testing would only lead to higher case counts and more bad publicity. Meanwhile, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, was reportedly sharing models with senior staff that optimistically—and erroneously, it would turn out—predicted the virus would soon fade away.
Against that background, the prospect of launching a large-scale national plan was losing favor, said one public health expert in frequent contact with the White House’s official coronavirus task force.
Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert..
The Deaths of 150,000 Americans Are on Trump’s Hands
Trump and his lackeys are guilty of criminal negligence, if not far worse. Who will hold them accountable?
www.thenation.com
“Trump and his administration should be treated like mass murderers. Vanity Fair reports that Jared Kushner may have decided to scuttle a national testing plan because the deaths were, at the time, heavily skewed towards “blue” states with Democratic governors. If true, that behavior should be viewed as a crime against humanity. No, it is not the killing fields; it is not the Armenian genocide; it’s not the gulag or any number of recent horrors of history. But I would argue that it could meet all three elements required to go before the International Criminal Court: It’s persecution against an identifiable group, as well as an inhumane act “intentionally causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or to mental or physical health”; it’s a systemic “attack” against a civilian population; and it’s done with knowledge of the attack.“
How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”
This spring, a team working under the president’s son-in-law produced a plan for an aggressive, coordinated national COVID-19 response that could have brought the pandemic under control. So why did the White House spike it in favor of a shambolic 50-state response?
“But the effort ran headlong into shifting sentiment at the White House. Trusting his vaunted political instincts, President Trump had been downplaying concerns about the virus and spreading misinformation about it—efforts that were soon amplified by Republican elected officials and right-wing media figures. Worried about the stock market and his reelection prospects, Trump also feared that more testing would only lead to higher case counts and more bad publicity. Meanwhile, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, was reportedly sharing models with senior staff that optimistically—and erroneously, it would turn out—predicted the virus would soon fade away.
Against that background, the prospect of launching a large-scale national plan was losing favor, said one public health expert in frequent contact with the White House’s official coronavirus task force.
Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert..
Why what? Why are they voting for Trump? Why have I tried to change their minds?
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Red
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I know the feeling. At the same time, I am presently engaged in conversation with a man, much younger than myself, who is very much conservative in sentiment/philosophy. He asked me recently something that another friend had also asked, in so many words: how can two intelligent people, interpret current events in such starkly different ways? From the moment I met this young man, I felt a connection, a feeling that I should know this man, that our friendship was “meant to be”. It has been difficult hearing him express views that I find so misguided. We have both had to actually caution each other not to let our political differences affect our friendship. But, here’s the thing, we both understand that the partisanship besetting our nation must somehow lead to a healing, that things cannot continue on their present trajectory. It is with people like this that I wish to work to build bridges. There are people close to me, in one case as close as any human being has ever been to me, whose minds I cannot change. It hurts, because they are so very close. You are not alone. I am sure there are many in your very position. Sometimes all we can do is just be grateful that we have eyes to see, and ears to hear, and simply hope for the best for our “fallen” loved ones.
D
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Why vote for Trump? Unless they’re mostly tribal and just disengaged with reality by addiction to Fox News, why would you re-elect the guy? As if Russian collusion, child separation, Ukrainian blackmail, overwhelming corruption and incompetence, and anti-democratic behavior wasn’t enough, now you have a pathetic pandemic response and worst economy since the GreatDepression.
People usually ask if their lives are better now than they were 4 years ago. How many people can legitimately say their lives are better now than under Obama in 2016? I didn’t have to worry about my life back then. I didn’t worry about budget cuts. I didn’t have to worry that I might join the 30+ million unemployed. I didn’t have to worry about paying a mortgage or if the president might start a war because their leader tweeted something about him. I didn’t worry about the president not reading his daily briefings or if his AG might crack down on educators.
So who is this 2020 version of America better for? We’re talking about a tiny crowd. I can definitely see how the billionaire class of the Kochs, Mercers, Trumps, and far right wing Christian fundamentalists Think this is better. Is your family part of that tiny crowd? Or are they just that disengaged, tribal, and otherwise brainwashed in the right wing fake reality bubble?
One last thing, we make up only 4 percent of the world’s population. Yet make up nearly 25 percent of the covid fatalities. In response to so much death, Donald says, “it is what it is.”
And this idiot wants 4 more years? And your family wants to give him those? My goodness. He literally could murder someone in broad daylight on 5th Avenue and not lose his diehard supporters.
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I wish I understood why my family votes for Trump. My mother because she is a diehard Republican and believes her god is as well. She is also rather racist and agrees with the garbage he says along those lines. And she doesn't believe the things people say about him. Democrats are evil and liars. And she thinks Melania is beautiful.
My brother loves Trump because Trump gets to act in all the ways that my brother wishes he could. And the reduced business regulations have been good for him. His wife is much more liberal but has chosen to keep silent for the most part.
My sister because she thinks all minorities are a drain on the welfare system and Democrats want to give all of these people a handout, one that white people don't get. She and her husband, and their children as well, also haven't met a conspiracy they don't like.
My other sister and her husband are the only logical ones in the bunch and although they are Republicans, they do not like Trump and what he has done to our country. But I doubt they would ever vote for Biden either. Don't know what they will do this time (they voted for Macmillan last time).
I love my family, but honestly would not pick most of them to be in my life if I was not related.
My brother loves Trump because Trump gets to act in all the ways that my brother wishes he could. And the reduced business regulations have been good for him. His wife is much more liberal but has chosen to keep silent for the most part.
My sister because she thinks all minorities are a drain on the welfare system and Democrats want to give all of these people a handout, one that white people don't get. She and her husband, and their children as well, also haven't met a conspiracy they don't like.
My other sister and her husband are the only logical ones in the bunch and although they are Republicans, they do not like Trump and what he has done to our country. But I doubt they would ever vote for Biden either. Don't know what they will do this time (they voted for Macmillan last time).
I love my family, but honestly would not pick most of them to be in my life if I was not related.
D
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Interesting. Thanks for your post.
It’s interesting how racism and misogyny play such a prominent role in Trumpism. Researcher Karen Stenner has some interesting information about this. Essentially, one third of the population has an authoritarian predisposition. These people are into racism and misogyny. When they see the world changing too fast to make them comfortable, they lash out and make democracy almost impossible to function.
So the trick is, how do you pacify them while continuously educating the rest of society about tolerance and progress so democracy can function somewhat smoothly (at the very least)? I mean, we have actual issues that need to be solved. But as long as 30-40 percent of the population support Trump, reject experts, and make democracy impossible, we can’t solve them. Even before the pandemic, look at how few actual legislators I’ve accomplishments Trump and the GOP had.
Here’s her article.
https://psmag.com/news/authoritarianism-the-terrifying-trait-that-trump-triggers
Stars Fan
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I feel your pain