Jazzta
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Russia.
Russia.
Russia again? Who would have known?!
The official "let's impeach Trump" thread
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Russia.
Russia again? Who would have known?!
Zombie
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Parnas met with Sessions after making sizable donations and asked him to push for the US ambassador removal. Shortly after the meeting Sessions wrote a letter to Pompeo asking for just that. Months later, the request came to fruition.
The swamp, it's endless!
Red
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Yes, I did exhibit poor self control and referred to him as a traitor, in fact. And as he replied to me, I don't know him at all. I agree with @Jonah in his definition of treason. I have generally seen it as applying in time of war, and constituting "aid and comfort to the enemy", but it would also include betrayal of ones country in a non war context. Where I am really coming from stems directly from a thread I started in the summer of 2016, where I asked if Putin was trying to help Trump win. It seemed among some that such an attack was no biggie and may even be justified since we had also interfered in the internal affairs of other nations.
As I noted to Jonah, it would be very difficult to call Americans with such an attitudes "patriots". Not traitors as such, but unwilling to defend their own country.
As well, people who can see clearly what is going on with the president's responses to Congress can see he has zero respect for our Constitution. That's zero. If Trump supporters continue to support him despite that, then they too, I must assume, have little respect for our Consitution. Of course, I understand they would likely simply deny that Trump disrespects the Constitution. But, sorry, he clearly does, and I can only think less of his supporters for siding with him under those circumstances.
But, it is our partisanship raised to the level of tribalism that is at the heart of this, and I prefer to think of Trump supporters as being seriously misguided by that tribalism. If owning the libs means Trump can tear up the Constitution to do so, well, at least some of his supporters will be fine with that. And since Trump seems to be trying to put himself above the law, at least some of his supporters not only do not believe "it can't happen here", they must be fine with that as well. So, whatever label fits such supporters, I'll just say it does not seem to support the American values I was raised to believe in.
Red
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I'll own my own words, but I do think you were overanalyzing my original response to @silesian, where I called his short comment "succinct" and I laughed. Obviously, your objection was to me basically giving a thumbs up to a comment that included the observation that Trump supporters were traitors.
But, in actuality, at the time, I bout near fell out of my chair laughing at "this is the WTF age in American history". I just found that, in particular, spot on, in its own way. So, there was a misunderstanding here, but I'll acknowledge I compounded that by continuing to use the term "traitor". It really wasn't worth all the back and forth that resulted, but in my comment prior to this one, I stated my position, hopefully in clearer terms.
The notion of a sophisticated pedant (or would it be a pedantic sophisticate?) is quite ironic.
Everyone around Trump will eventually be in jail or live with forever tarnished reputations
The lures of the power of the Presidency keeps luring moths into the flame.
Jonah
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I was thinking more of discussions either in person or here on Jazzfazz. No reason to barge in and interrupt a stranger’s lunch no matter what kind of hat they’re wearing. That’s just needlessly rude behavior.
Jonah
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You know, I don’t believe your pretense. Traitor has been inexorably linked to treason since Benedict Arnold. That’s the common usage. As for false generalizations, I wasn’t comparing everyone who calls someone a traitor to Trump. I was comparing you, and your usage in this thread, to Trump. Not only do you use the word in the same manner as Trump, as a deliberately false rhetorical bludgeon, but you relish its effect. A way to troll other posters. Also, very Trump like.
D
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Just curious, what do y’all think the reaction from republicans would’ve been if Eric Holder had been meeting with news media CEOs? While hopping from continent to continent allegedly working to dig up dirt on Obama’s political opponents?
What the the "followers" of "illegals"?
I think we can add #3724 to the previous list.
D
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These guys definitely look like legitimate businessmen
This is some interesting reporting:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-vienna/599833/
Rudy just got the kiss of death. Trump’s already distancing himself from him. By tomorrow morning he’s going to deny even knowing him.
This is some interesting reporting:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/10/rudy-giuliani-vienna/599833/
Rudy just got the kiss of death. Trump’s already distancing himself from him. By tomorrow morning he’s going to deny even knowing him.