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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

colton said:
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You said it, Your Honor:

“Disputes between Congress and the president are a recurring plot in our national story,” U.S. Circuit Judge David Tatel wrote in the majority’s 66-page opinion. “And that is precisely what the Framers intended.” He quoted the late Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, who said that the purpose of the separation of powers was “to save the people from autocracy.”
 
colton said:
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Experts? Psh. What do experts know? Experts are those four eyed pencil neck coastal elitists who sit in an office all day. They predicted Hillary would win! They don’t know what real America is like. “USA USA USA #MAGA #KAG!”
 
Red said:
Just a wild guess. Sondland was not allowed to testify because team Trump realized he would not hide the conversation with Trump preceding the text message stating to Taylor that there was no quid pro quo. That text comment was meant to be on the record, to counter what Taylor said. Chances are Sondland would implicate Trump in a coverup if he testified. Everybody has to be lawyered up, and you don't really want to lie to these Congressional committees. He would have been really grilled on that conversation with Trump.

If Trump is covering up his quid pro quo, it will ultimately be his own words that lead to that particular article of impeachment. With Nixon, he didn't destroy the tapes, and his coverup was suddenly bathed in the light of day. I think we should expect more light on Trump via the Ukraine phone call. And I don't think the decision on Syria and the Kurds is sitting well with a lot of Americans. Would not surprise me if that is playing, or will play, into the trend upward in favor of impeachment. Absorbing that decision and comparing what we see to his self described "great and unmatched wisdom" is really jarring. The entire presidency is a cruel joke.
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I have a feeling that a lot of people see the entire thing the way I do. The Dems have hated Trump since day 1 and openly dreamt about the day they would impeach him. The have kept trying and failing to keep that promise. Now they are on to the Ukrane thing where the leader of their committee literally had to make up another version of the conversation in order to come up with something as startling as the whistelblower said this was going to be. As a result of all the idiocy, Trump has concluded that participating in this circus that the Dems run and completely control would be worse for him, regardless of the facts, than sitting this one out and waiting for the investigation to implode just like all of the efforts to date have. My money is on Trump to win this fight. I can't understand how he keeps moving forward in the face of this constant chaos, but it seems to fuel him somehow.
 
Fantastic op-ed by Dana Milbank, directed at those who may have supported Trump because they liked some of his policies, but who should now ponder the larger issue of checks and balances within our government: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...b0c720-ec34-11e9-85c0-85a098e47b37_story.html

Trump began staking his title to absolute power in his first weeks in office. “The whole world will soon see, as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned,” White House adviser Stephen Miller announced. He wasn’t kidding.

Trump soon stated that “I have the absolute right” to fire FBI Director James Comey. He subsequently proclaimed the “absolute right” to provide Russia with an ally’s highly classified intelligence; the “absolute right” to pardon himself; the “absolute right” to shut down the southern border; the “absolute right” to fire special counsel Robert Mueller; the “absolute right” to sign an executive order removing the Constitution’s birthright-citizenship provision; the “absolute right” to contrive a national emergency to deny Congress the power of the purse; the “absolute right” to order U.S. businesses out of China; the “absolute right” to release apparent spy-satellite imagery of Iran; and, most recently, the “absolute right” to ask other countries to furnish evidence that Joe Biden is corrupt.

Kellyanne Conway asserted Trump’s “absolute right” to give his son-in-law a security clearance over security professionals’ objections. White House counsel Pat Cipollone said current and former White House officials are “absolutely immune” from testifying before Congress. As others have noted, Trump has repeatedly said the Constitution’s Article II empowers him “to do whatever I want” and bestows on him “all of these rights at a level nobody has ever seen before.”

At a level nobody has ever seen. Now we see the corrupting effect of this claim of own absolute power:

Without troubling himself to engage in the usual consultations with lawmakers, allies and military leaders, he ordered a pullout of U.S. troops from northern Syria, setting off a Turkish invasion as well as fears of a massacre of our Kurdish allies and religious minorities (including some 50,000 Christians) and of a revival of Islamic State. He did it at the request of the repressive leader of Turkey, where Trump has boasted of his extensive business interests.

Trump declared “perfect” his phone call with the Ukrainian president, at a time when Trump was withholding military aid to that country, requesting a “favor” and asking for damaging information about Biden — a stark violation of campaign-finance law. He then publicly asked China for the same on the eve of trade talks.

He responded to the resulting impeachment inquiry in the House with a bizarre letter from Cipollone asserting, essentially, that Trump is exempt from all congressional oversight and won’t participate in this “unconstitutional inquiry” — even though the Constitution expressly gives the House “the sole Power of Impeachment.”
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Maybe [Trump supporters] will finally realize that by supporting Trump as he claims absolute power, they are clearing the way for a successor who ignores Congress and inconvenient laws to, say, expand abortion rights, gay rights, gun control and restrictions on Christian schools. Maybe they will grasp that the democratic safeguards they are now letting Trump overrun won’t be there when a future leader claims an “absolute right” to assault what they hold dear.​
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I have a feeling that a lot of people see the entire thing the way I do. The Dems have hated Trump since day 1 and openly dreamt about the day they would impeach him. The have kept trying and failing to keep that promise. Now they are on to the Ukrane thing where the leader of their committee literally had to make up another version of the conversation in order to come up with something as startling as the whistelblower said this was going to be. As a result of all the idiocy, Trump has concluded that participating in this circus that the Dems run and completely control would be worse for him, regardless of the facts, than sitting this one out and waiting for the investigation to implode just like all of the efforts to date have. My money is on Trump to win this fight. I can't understand how he keeps moving forward in the face of this constant chaos, but it seems to fuel him somehow.
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If you truly believe this is all manufactured by the Democrats who are just "out to get Trump", then you're an idiot.
 
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