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Eenie-Meenie said:
The Russians might've tried to interfere but whatever they did had little effect on the actual election. I could say something about the electorate in Utah but I won't out of respect for those on Jazzfanz, many of whom are not part of the silent majority here in this state. Tell me, though, how can we better educate the people in Utah about their voting choices?
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Utah is a solid red state that lacks significant population (electoral votes) so it wasn’t a target of Russian interference. However, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania all were targets of Russian interference and they all played a significant role in helping Trump get elected. Remember how, Trump won Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by 80,000 votes COMBINED. I don’t know how you can confidently claim that Facebook posts, troll farms, and DNC hacks which led to cover fire for trump (and disaster for Clinton’s campaign) didn’t get him elected. And we still don’t know the extent to which Russia hacked our system due to McConnell’s efforts. Did they succeed at hacking a few key polling stations in swing states?

Utah’s political issues aren’t so much related to russian interference as they are with religious interference. Don’t know what I’m talking about? Go to your local grocery store and ask to see their wine, beer, and spirits section.
 
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silesian said:
Stop raising arguments that no one is making.
No one is saying that Putin “made” people vote for trump.

not one person in the galaxy has claimed that Russians held a gun to a voter’s head or got a pee pee tape and blackmailed them to vote for trump.

The mueller report does not say this. The intelligence agencies do not say this. The most insane libtard in the world does not say this. So please go argue with yourself.

It is called influence, and unless you think Putin is an idiot who spends his time, money and effort on lost causes, he believes that he can influence gullible voters.

How did he do it? Read the mueller report, it is not my job to do your homework. But here is a good article to get you started. There are many SPECIFIC things Putin did. He got inside your head and you didn’t even know he was there.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-mueller-report-tells-us-about-russian-influence-operations
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So how is this Trump's fault? This happened under Obama....
 
Immediately after the release of the Access Hollywood tape on Oct 7, 2016, Russian affiliates and farms released emails that were embarrassing to Clinton’s campaign. It shifted immediately the attention from Trump’s sexual harassment to Clinton. A story that would’ve dominated the news cycle for weeks was buried by Clinton campaign emails.

But tell me again how russia either didn’t interfere or that their interference wasn’t significant.

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It’s 2019 and people still don’t know the basics over what happened in the fall 2016. Guys... cmon

I’m beginning to think we’re too willfully dumb to deserve our democracy anymore. We deserve Russian kleptocracy and corruption.
 
The Thriller said:
It’s 2019 and people still don’t know the basics over what happened in the fall 2016. Guys... cmon

I’m beginning to think we’re too willfully dumb to deserve our democracy anymore. We deserve Russian kleptocracy and corruption.
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Tulsi though. You have no credibility.
 
The Thriller said:
Utah is a solid red state that lacks significant population (electoral votes) so it wasn’t a target of Russian interference. However, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania all were targets of Russian interference and they all played a significant role in helping Trump get elected. Remember how, Trump won Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by 80,000 votes COMBINED. I don’t know how you can confidently claim that Facebook posts, troll farms, and DNC hacks which led to cover fire for trump (and disaster for Clinton’s campaign) didn’t get him elected. And we still don’t know the extent to which Russia hacked our system due to McConnell’s efforts. Did they succeed at hacking a few key polling stations in swing states?

Utah’s political issues aren’t so much related to russian interference as they are with religious interference. Don’t know what I’m talking about? Go to your local grocery store and ask to see their wine, beer, and spirits section.
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I totally agree with your point about Utah. As for Russian interference, I don't see much concrete evidence. The FB posts, DNC hacks (they didn't hurt Hillary in the primaries, though they did come late in the primaries, so that could be a reason), and the troll farms are supposition which don't have enough evidence to be make a conclusive judgment. They are all speculative.
 
Its 100% fact that Russia interfered. Its 100% fact that Obama was President when it happened. Its 100% fact it was happening before Trump was a candidate.
 
JazzyFresh said:
So how is this Trump's fault? This happened under Obama....
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dude, try to keep up. we are talking about whether or not Russia meddled and whether or not it influenced any voters.

Putin knew he had a guy he could manipulate to broaden Russian influence into us foreign policy and weaken his adversary. It was brilliant, frankly. And Putin won. He Made America Gimpy Again.
 
Furthermore, my belief is that the Repugs defrauded the election with their cross-check scheme that purged minority voters likely to vote Democrat -- see the work of Greg Palast who has been studying fraud in the U.S. elections for many years. The Dems committed fraud in the primaries and the Russian interference is disinformation on their part to cover their own fraud. Julian Assange is not a Russian agent and Seth Rich was the one who hacked the DNC. It is possible that he also was the hacker who called himself Guccifer, an alleged Romanian who released many private documents from the DNC. In fact, I downloaded those files myself. If anyone wants to see what was in them, PM me. I received them in April of 2016.

Just was reading about the new Senate Report that allegedly showed conclusive evidence of Soviet interference, probably what Thriller was referring to. I don't buy it; I don't buy a lot of stuff that comes from our government. Remember, both parties are deeply corrupted.
 
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silesian said:
dude, try to keep up. we are talking about whether or not Russia meddled and whether or not it influenced any voters.

Putin knew he had a guy he could manipulate to broaden Russian influence into us foreign policy and weaken his adversary. It was brilliant, frankly. And Putin won. He Made America Gimpy Again.
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That's a conspiracy. Nothing more. Nothing. As fishon would say a "boogieman".
 
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