The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

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The investigation was a waste of time. Our country could have been better served without doing it. Most the convictions were perjury traps.

You are repeating a lie. Is it ignorance, or are you lying?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–2019)

• Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer, pled guilty to making hush payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal in violation of campaign finance laws, and was convicted for several unrelated counts of bank and tax fraud.[17][18]
• Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, who had been appointed as National Security Advisor by the incoming Trump administration, was convicted of making false statements to FBI investigators about his conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition, and he was dismissed from his position.[19][20]
• Konstantin Kilimnik, Manafort's business partner in Ukraine, was indicted for witness tampering at the behest of Manafort;[21] Kilimnik is suspected of working for Russian intelligence.[22]
• Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chairman was found guilty on eight felony counts of tax evasion and bank fraud,[23] pursuant to his earlier lobbying activities for the Party of Regions of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich.[24][25] He later pled guilty to conspiracy to defraud and obstruction of justice;[26][27] in total, he was sentenced to over seven years in jail[28] in February 2018.
• George Papadopoulos Trump campaign adviser was convicted for making false statements to the FBI.[29]
• Roger Stone, a longtime Trump advisor who had met with a Russian person offering to sell derogatory financial information about Hillary Clinton,[30] was indicted on seven charges of lying to Congress and witness tampering. He pled not guilty.[31] The jury subsequently found him guilty on all seven counts.[32]

I suppose you could believe it was just coincidence that 17 errors were all made in the same direction.

Not at all. I would venture 99% of mistakes made investigators/prosecutors favor the result of convicting people. What I don't believe is that 17 errors is an unusual amount, nor that this indicates an animus directed against Trump. This is normal investigative work, which passes for justice among conservatives when the defendant is not white and wealthy.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Thank you for acknowledging that the Mueller investigation was important and significant.

I suppose you could believe it was just a coincidence that Trump surrounded himself with people convicted for their illegal actions on behalf of Russia. Once is happenstance, two is a coincidence, seven is a plan.

Lol Nice conspiracy theory. That's laughably paper thin, I shouldn't even give it that much credit.

people convicted for their illegal actions on behalf of Russia.

On behalf of Russia. Go peddle your wares elsewhere. You do realize Manafort has as many or more DNC connections, and wasn't ever charged with anything campaign linked right? And what he was charged with, hmmm... the unproveable black ledger, something that was created entirely by the now well documented Clinton conspiracy to commit treason by overthrowing our democratic election.

But hey, let's make out Manafort avoiding taxes and possibly taking money from a Hillary Clinton linked Russian oligarch is working on behalf of Russua, whatever that is now supposed to mean.

 

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That's a cartoon portraying reality. It's an interesting change for you.

 

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Yawn. The true snowflakes crying that the world is changing around them.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Looks like obstruction of congress is now also DOA. Let's call it Colton's silly little list. I think that captures the biased media hype well enough. The charges are all falling apart and rooted out for the nonsense they are. Every Trumped up charge and purposeful misreading of law has so far fallen flat. Let's cover the main 3:

-Russiagate: made up by Clinton's and Fusion GOS
-Taking info is violation of FEC law: silly myth.
-Obstruction of Congress: SC says nope, duh. Of course Congress doesn't play judge, jury, executioner, and afterlife god just because the never trumpers want him gone.

So now what are we left with on Colton's silly list? Unpresidential conduct. Trump says things people don't like. That and asking Ukraine to investigate corruption oh me, oh my!

 

[Hotdog]

You are repeating a lie. Is it ignorance, or are you lying?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Counsel_investigation_(2017–2019)

• Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer, pled guilty to making hush payments to Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal in violation of campaign finance laws, and was convicted for several unrelated counts of bank and tax fraud.[17][18]
• Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, who had been appointed as National Security Advisor by the incoming Trump administration, was convicted of making false statements to FBI investigators about his conversations with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak during the presidential transition, and he was dismissed from his position.[19][20]
• Konstantin Kilimnik, Manafort's business partner in Ukraine, was indicted for witness tampering at the behest of Manafort;[21] Kilimnik is suspected of working for Russian intelligence.[22]
• Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign chairman was found guilty on eight felony counts of tax evasion and bank fraud,[23] pursuant to his earlier lobbying activities for the Party of Regions of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovich.[24][25] He later pled guilty to conspiracy to defraud and obstruction of justice;[26][27] in total, he was sentenced to over seven years in jail[28] in February 2018.
• George Papadopoulos Trump campaign adviser was convicted for making false statements to the FBI.[29]
• Roger Stone, a longtime Trump advisor who had met with a Russian person offering to sell derogatory financial information about Hillary Clinton,[30] was indicted on seven charges of lying to Congress and witness tampering. He pled not guilty.[31] The jury subsequently found him guilty on all seven counts.[32]

Not at all. I would venture 99% of mistakes made investigators/prosecutors favor the result of convicting people. What I don't believe is that 17 errors is an unusual amount, nor that this indicates an animus directed against Trump. This is normal investigative work, which passes for justice among conservatives when the defendant is not white and wealthy.

Thanks for making my point. It's pretty much what I said. Most of these crimes were because of lying to the FBI for various reason that didnt have to do with Trump and Russia. These essentially mount to the equivalent of a perjury trap. Let's put some Democrat associates to the same test and see what happens.

Isnt it funny how the former head of the FBI and his associates can get away with telling many lies and commit fraud against the American public? Where is your outrage about that? The FBI lying should be a way bigger deal than some private citizen. But you dont seem to care as long as it serves you.

 

[Harambe]

Looks like obstruction of congress is now also DOA. Let's call it Colton's silly little list. I think that captures the biased media hype well enough. The charges are all falling apart and rooted out for the nonsense they are. Every Trumped up charge and purposeful misreading of law has so far fallen flat. Let's cover the main 3:

-Russiagate: made up by Clinton's and Fusion GOS
-Taking info is violation of FEC law: silly myth.
-Obstruction of Congress: SC says nope, duh. Of course Congress doesn't play judge, jury, executioner, and afterlife god just because the never trumpers want him gone.

So now what are we left with on Colton's silly list? Unpresidential conduct. Trump says things people don't like. That and asking Ukraine to investigate corruption oh me, oh my!

I'm glad mainstream media didn't get to you.

 

[fishonjazz]

Looks like obstruction of congress is now also DOA. Let's call it Colton's silly little list. I think that captures the biased media hype well enough. The charges are all falling apart and rooted out for the nonsense they are. Every Trumped up charge and purposeful misreading of law has so far fallen flat. Let's cover the main 3:

-Russiagate: made up by Clinton's and Fusion GOS
-Taking info is violation of FEC law: silly myth.
-Obstruction of Congress: SC says nope, duh. Of course Congress doesn't play judge, jury, executioner, and afterlife god just because the never trumpers want him gone.

So now what are we left with on Colton's silly list? Unpresidential conduct. Trump says things people don't like. That and asking Ukraine to investigate corruption oh me, oh my!

Remember how you wanted Trump impeached for multiple things besides the Ukraine bribery but even said that you think he is guilty of that but that there just wouldn't be enough evidence to get him for that?
So you think he has done 3 impeachable offenses but there is only enough evidence on two of the things.
Good times

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[Hotdog]

NPC, can you please explain which key news stories were legitimately and credibly debunked-- i.e. they were truly 'fake news'-- and how that absolves Trump? I'd be grateful-- seriously. It's a wild claim, if you think about it: No other president in American history has been able to simply dismiss the news media like this, and an entire segment of society chooses to believe him, no questions asked. And actually, forget that request for fake news stories, because the real question I have is this: Why do you trust him so completely? Is it-- and this is an honest question-- because you believe he was chosen by God to be president? Did you become a fan of him during his days on 'The Apprentice' (again, an honest question)? Explain his appeal, and how you became this devoted, please, because I don't care how many 'fake news' stories and political cartoons you post, NPC-- the man is the greatest in American history at one thing only: Lying (nearly 14,000 documented, outright lies during his tenure in the White House so far). Add to that the multiple layers of moral corruption-- serial marital infidelity, shady business dealings, crude and uncivil comments about women and minorities and dead soldiers and decorated war heroes and handicapped people, etc.-- and I don't understand how you can continue to support him on that basis alone. So please, explain.

Sure, Id be happy to answer your questions.

I could point to dozens of fake news stories about Trump, but why not just point to the mother load that proves my point.

Russia Gate. Nothing a bigger lie and nonsensical BS conspiracy story than this. Inside of this bgger lie has been many lies told. See below.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...sia-investigation-questions-remaining-928081/

1. Are media corrections forthcoming?

"The Horowitz report makes clear that multiple news cycles over the last few years were dominated by reports that were either incorrect or lacking factual foundation.

These included assertions by multiple outlets that the Steele dossier was not central to the FBI’s efforts to secure a warrant on Page, that the FBI found Christopher Steele and his dossier “credible,” that tales of FISA abuse were conspiracy theory (one of many claims Mother Jones called “********”), that the memo written by Devin Nunes on the subject was wrong and had been “debunked,” that Russians “blocked” Trump from nominating Mitt Romney as Secretary of State, that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen was in Prague (presumably to meet Russian hackers), that a “pee tape” existed, that Russia’s Alfa Bank and the Trump campaign were communicating via a secret server, that the FISA warrant on Page must have been producing good intelligence in order to be renewed three times, and many other things."


Why do I support Trump and why did I vote for him?

Im not religious and I have never watched a single episode of The Apprentice. So those guesses are wrong. Im not a true conservative. Im just temporarily taking this side. I voted for him because he represented throwing a wrench in the corrupt political system. The more the establishment goes after him and exposes themselves as what I thought they were, which are corrupt liars, the more I support him.

As I have stated before, I can see his flaws. I would have much rather have preferred it was someone else that was doing this. Someone smarter and less cringey. But no one else had the power or guts to do what he is doing.

In a weird way he has the outward appearances of being a terrible person, but at the same time is doing one of the bravest things Ive seen a politician do. He is a one man show taking on things no one else thought was possible. Im honestly suprised he hasnt been JFK'd yet.

 

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Most of these crimes were because of lying to the FBI for various reason that didnt have to do with Trump and Russia.

2 out of 6 is "most"?

Isnt it funny how the former head of the FBI and his associates can get away with telling many lies and commit fraud against the American public? Where is your outrage about that? The FBI lying should be a way bigger deal than some private citizen. But you dont seem to care as long as it serves you.

I've been complaining about, or supporting complaints about, how the FBI works for years. Right now, I'm mostly amused that you suddenly care, when rich, white men are the victims.

 

[Harambe]

Remember how you wanted Trump impeached for multiple things besides the Ukraine bribery but even said that you think he is guilty of that but that there just wouldn't be enough evidence to get him for that?
So you think he has done 3 impeachable offenses but there is only enough evidence on two of the things.
Good times

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He doesn't. That's the whole gist of half the accounts posting in this thread. "I don't remember the inconvenient"