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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

You said everyone else whines and cries about whatever trump does. (You don't seem to approve of that)
Sounds like you do the same thing in regards to democrats.

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LoPo said:
This seems like a fun thread.

So please, enlighten me, how does Trump go about removing benefits from everyone else?
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I've heard that engaging in this sort of back and forth actually activates pleasure centers in your brain. People get perverse pleasure from it.

Off the top of my head, Trump has cut food stamps, shortened the period of time some people are on disability, tried to get the Affordable Care Act declared un-Constitutional (which would eliminate some Medicaid funds as well as clauses like pre-existing conditions), under-cut the voting rights act, and loosened up environmental regulations. Need more?
 
One Brow said:
I've heard that engaging in this sort of back and forth actually activates pleasure centers in your brain. People get perverse pleasure from it.

Off the top of my head, Trump has cut food stamps, shortened the period of time some people are on disability, tried to get the Affordable Care Act declared un-Constitutional (which would eliminate some Medicaid funds as well as clauses like pre-existing conditions), under-cut the voting rights act, and loosened up environmental regulations. Need more?
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Enrollment for Food Stamps went up 70% under the Obama Administration. We were in a recession. We are no longer in a recession. We are actually in one of the best economic times in our history. So Trump dialing back a program that only rose due to a situation that no longer exists is simply logical. He isn't removing a warranted benefit. He's removing a handout.

I know people and have family members who abuse the disability system. We probably all do. The system is flawed and needs reform. Was his method perfect? I don't even know, but I do know it's an abused system. If he actually took something away from somebody who truly needs it, then I agree with you here.

He didn't get the Affordable Care Act done so he didn't do anything to anybody.

Please explain the voting rights act. I don't know the particulars on that one.

Environmental regulations loosening isn't removing a benefit from any person. It might be stupid, but it's not aimed at any person or group intentionally.

So overall, you're telling me he might have hurt some people adjusting the corrupt disability system and maybe voting rights were altered (TBD). Broad statements like "he intentionally tries to hurt this group or that group" is completely freaking wreckless. By BOTH sides.
 
Gameface said:
Nope, try again.

"After stating that he and his colleagues couldn’t clear Trump, Mueller reiterated that they also didn’t make any determination “as to whether the President did commit a crime.” Then he explained the reasoning behind this omission. Under a long-standing Department of Justice policy, “a President cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office,” he said. “That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view—that, too, is prohibited. The special counsel’s office is part of the Department of Justice, and, by regulation, it was bound by that department policy. Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”

“It would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of an actual charge,”
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I'm just catching up here, but this whole back and forth was pretty beyond the pale. Nuance in your first language shouldn't be overly difficult for an adult. But, look at us. Here we are. Shrug*
 
LoPo said:
Enrollment for Food Stamps went up 70% under the Obama Administration. We were in a recession. We are no longer in a recession.
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Sorry I was not specific enough for you. Trump changed the eligibility standards for food stamps to make it harder to qualify.

LoPo said:
He isn't removing a warranted benefit. He's removing a handout.
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When you're hungry, the difference is minimal.

LoPo said:
He didn't get the Affordable Care Act done so he didn't do anything to anybody.
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The case is still pending.

LoPo said:
Please explain the voting rights act. I don't know the particulars on that one.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/opin...way-to-go-clarke-rosenberg-opinion/index.html

Since Donald Trump's inauguration, the Department of Justice has reversed or retreated from prior positions in at least three significant voting rights matters, including two in which it abandoned claims of intentional discrimination.
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LoPo said:
Environmental regulations loosening isn't removing a benefit from any person. It might be stupid, but it's not aimed at any person or group intentionally.
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Breathable air and potable water is not a benefit? Yes, it's aimed at the poor, as the industries that pollute are located near where poor people live. If they were located where rich people live, they'd get regulated.

LoPo said:
So overall, you're telling me he might have hurt some people adjusting the corrupt disability system and maybe voting rights were altered (TBD). Broad statements like "he intentionally tries to hurt this group or that group" is completely freaking wreckless. By BOTH sides.
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If you want to believe that it is only a coincidence that Trump's policies hurt only the poor or minorities, who am I to tell you otherwise (especially when Trump will do it himself)?
 
One Brow said:
Sorry I was not specific enough for you. Trump changed the eligibility standards for food stamps to make it harder to qualify.



When you're hungry, the difference is minimal.



The case is still pending.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/opin...way-to-go-clarke-rosenberg-opinion/index.html





Breathable air and potable water is not a benefit? Yes, it's aimed at the poor, as the industries that pollute are located near where poor people live. If they were located where rich people live, they'd get regulated.



If you want to believe that it is only a coincidence that Trump's policies hurt only the poor or minorities, who am I to tell you otherwise (especially when Trump will do it himself)?
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This is a good post.

However, I want to add a few thoughts about the ACA.

#1 If it is ruled unconstitutional because of the Trump administration's lawsuit, that will mean that insurance companies will be (legally) allowed to discriminate based on pre-conditions. I have yet to hear a single argument showing how this is a good thing.
#2 If the ACA goes away, subsidizes for smaller insurance companies that provide health care in primarily rural states will dry up. Again, I have yet to hear a single argument showing how this is a good thing.
#3 If the ACA goes away, states that have expanded Medicaid will lose federal funding. For those of you who don't understand, people who are currently using expanded Medicaid aren't people receiving handouts. These are people who work and earn enough to not qualify for traditional Medicaid but do not earn enough to afford insurance.
Ironically, eliminating the ACA actually disincentivizes people from working. Why do Republicans want people to stop working?

The ACA was passed one decade ago. Even after all this time the Republican party has yet to come up with a satisfactory replacement. Probably because the ACA was based on the Republican alternative to Hillary's Clinton's proposed health care plan. The ACA is essentially Romneycare but expanded to the federal government.

The Trump administration's request that the hearing for the ACA be postponed from this summer to after the election is all the evidence you need to know about how popular destroying the ACA is going to be.
 
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