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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

Joe Bagadonuts said:
I live in a ski town and we sure aren't experiencing the predicted climate change that the left has been melting down about (and I have decades of experience to compare the current conditions to), we sure do have a lot of happy visitors, there is certainly a ton of optimism from our clients and for business in general, businesses all over are flourishing. Life is good!
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Since your clientele is the wealthy, of course they're happy and doing well.

I am curious, though. What do you think are the predicted climate change occurrences for a ski town that you have not experienced?
 
Political Jazz Fan said:
I get it, you don't like what I post. I am here for the 5-6 of us that don't whine and cry about everything Trump does or doesn't do.

I am here to post positive information about the country, the good things Pres. Trump does and bash the crap out of crappy Democrat candidates. The only person on this site that I have a lower opinion of your's is @thethriller.
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So you are here to bash the Democrats. Glad to see you just come out and post it at least.

Kind of makes you a hypocrite

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Political Jazz Fan said:
What are you talking about? I bash them because they suck. I can have an opinion on whatever I want here.
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You said everyone else whines and cries about whatever trump does. (You don't seem to approve of that)
Sounds like you do the same thing in regards to democrats.

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LoPo said:
This seems like a fun thread.

So please, enlighten me, how does Trump go about removing benefits from everyone else?
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I've heard that engaging in this sort of back and forth actually activates pleasure centers in your brain. People get perverse pleasure from it.

Off the top of my head, Trump has cut food stamps, shortened the period of time some people are on disability, tried to get the Affordable Care Act declared un-Constitutional (which would eliminate some Medicaid funds as well as clauses like pre-existing conditions), under-cut the voting rights act, and loosened up environmental regulations. Need more?
 
One Brow said:
I've heard that engaging in this sort of back and forth actually activates pleasure centers in your brain. People get perverse pleasure from it.

Off the top of my head, Trump has cut food stamps, shortened the period of time some people are on disability, tried to get the Affordable Care Act declared un-Constitutional (which would eliminate some Medicaid funds as well as clauses like pre-existing conditions), under-cut the voting rights act, and loosened up environmental regulations. Need more?
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Enrollment for Food Stamps went up 70% under the Obama Administration. We were in a recession. We are no longer in a recession. We are actually in one of the best economic times in our history. So Trump dialing back a program that only rose due to a situation that no longer exists is simply logical. He isn't removing a warranted benefit. He's removing a handout.

I know people and have family members who abuse the disability system. We probably all do. The system is flawed and needs reform. Was his method perfect? I don't even know, but I do know it's an abused system. If he actually took something away from somebody who truly needs it, then I agree with you here.

He didn't get the Affordable Care Act done so he didn't do anything to anybody.

Please explain the voting rights act. I don't know the particulars on that one.

Environmental regulations loosening isn't removing a benefit from any person. It might be stupid, but it's not aimed at any person or group intentionally.

So overall, you're telling me he might have hurt some people adjusting the corrupt disability system and maybe voting rights were altered (TBD). Broad statements like "he intentionally tries to hurt this group or that group" is completely freaking wreckless. By BOTH sides.
 
Gameface said:
Nope, try again.

"After stating that he and his colleagues couldn’t clear Trump, Mueller reiterated that they also didn’t make any determination “as to whether the President did commit a crime.” Then he explained the reasoning behind this omission. Under a long-standing Department of Justice policy, “a President cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office,” he said. “That is unconstitutional. Even if the charge is kept under seal and hidden from public view—that, too, is prohibited. The special counsel’s office is part of the Department of Justice, and, by regulation, it was bound by that department policy. Charging the President with a crime was therefore not an option we could consider.”

“It would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of an actual charge,”
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I'm just catching up here, but this whole back and forth was pretty beyond the pale. Nuance in your first language shouldn't be overly difficult for an adult. But, look at us. Here we are. Shrug*
 
LoPo said:
Enrollment for Food Stamps went up 70% under the Obama Administration. We were in a recession. We are no longer in a recession.
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Sorry I was not specific enough for you. Trump changed the eligibility standards for food stamps to make it harder to qualify.

LoPo said:
He isn't removing a warranted benefit. He's removing a handout.
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When you're hungry, the difference is minimal.

LoPo said:
He didn't get the Affordable Care Act done so he didn't do anything to anybody.
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The case is still pending.

LoPo said:
Please explain the voting rights act. I don't know the particulars on that one.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/opin...way-to-go-clarke-rosenberg-opinion/index.html

Since Donald Trump's inauguration, the Department of Justice has reversed or retreated from prior positions in at least three significant voting rights matters, including two in which it abandoned claims of intentional discrimination.
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LoPo said:
Environmental regulations loosening isn't removing a benefit from any person. It might be stupid, but it's not aimed at any person or group intentionally.
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Breathable air and potable water is not a benefit? Yes, it's aimed at the poor, as the industries that pollute are located near where poor people live. If they were located where rich people live, they'd get regulated.

LoPo said:
So overall, you're telling me he might have hurt some people adjusting the corrupt disability system and maybe voting rights were altered (TBD). Broad statements like "he intentionally tries to hurt this group or that group" is completely freaking wreckless. By BOTH sides.
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If you want to believe that it is only a coincidence that Trump's policies hurt only the poor or minorities, who am I to tell you otherwise (especially when Trump will do it himself)?
 
One Brow said:
Sorry I was not specific enough for you. Trump changed the eligibility standards for food stamps to make it harder to qualify.



When you're hungry, the difference is minimal.



The case is still pending.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/opin...way-to-go-clarke-rosenberg-opinion/index.html





Breathable air and potable water is not a benefit? Yes, it's aimed at the poor, as the industries that pollute are located near where poor people live. If they were located where rich people live, they'd get regulated.



If you want to believe that it is only a coincidence that Trump's policies hurt only the poor or minorities, who am I to tell you otherwise (especially when Trump will do it himself)?
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This is a good post.

However, I want to add a few thoughts about the ACA.

#1 If it is ruled unconstitutional because of the Trump administration's lawsuit, that will mean that insurance companies will be (legally) allowed to discriminate based on pre-conditions. I have yet to hear a single argument showing how this is a good thing.
#2 If the ACA goes away, subsidizes for smaller insurance companies that provide health care in primarily rural states will dry up. Again, I have yet to hear a single argument showing how this is a good thing.
#3 If the ACA goes away, states that have expanded Medicaid will lose federal funding. For those of you who don't understand, people who are currently using expanded Medicaid aren't people receiving handouts. These are people who work and earn enough to not qualify for traditional Medicaid but do not earn enough to afford insurance.
Ironically, eliminating the ACA actually disincentivizes people from working. Why do Republicans want people to stop working?

The ACA was passed one decade ago. Even after all this time the Republican party has yet to come up with a satisfactory replacement. Probably because the ACA was based on the Republican alternative to Hillary's Clinton's proposed health care plan. The ACA is essentially Romneycare but expanded to the federal government.

The Trump administration's request that the hearing for the ACA be postponed from this summer to after the election is all the evidence you need to know about how popular destroying the ACA is going to be.
 
One Brow said:
Sorry I was not specific enough for you. Trump changed the eligibility standards for food stamps to make it harder to qualify.



When you're hungry, the difference is minimal.



The case is still pending.



https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/06/opin...way-to-go-clarke-rosenberg-opinion/index.html





Breathable air and potable water is not a benefit? Yes, it's aimed at the poor, as the industries that pollute are located near where poor people live. If they were located where rich people live, they'd get regulated.



If you want to believe that it is only a coincidence that Trump's policies hurt only the poor or minorities, who am I to tell you otherwise (especially when Trump will do it himself)?
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Good info. Thank you.

Trump just cares about financial success and thinks everything else will roll down for everybody else. For example - he doesn't care about the environment because he wants corporations to make as much money as possible to create as many jobs as possible to employ as many people as possible.

The food stamps thing is idiotic. The program damn near doubled under Obama. So all these starving people just decided to go get food all the sudden? And now, with record unemployment and financial rates, the measures should be lessened. I don't know about you, but I've seen plenty of people dressed well and driving a brand new car using food stamps. The program sucks.

The whole argument against Trump has been name calling from the beginning. I just don't buy it. Every move he does could be construed as him attacking some group, but I think he's mainly attacking poorly run or designed systems. We have so many bogus programs which are abused daily costing us billions.





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Joe Bagadonuts said:
Life is good!
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That's great! I'm happy for ya. My wife and I are on fixed incomes, but I've been blessed throughout my life. We're far from wealthy at all, but being on the lower end of an income scale has never been a reason to complain, because I know the VAST majority of humanity is far worse off they we have ever been. Bit of a hard knock to start 2020. Wife was in a bad car accident; gonna take months to recover, but she'll get there, one day at a time.

I've always had an "ability", not sure what else to call it, a "gift", I'm not sure, to correctly predict trends and developments in several areas of interest to me. Not just the social sciences, the field in which I worked, but in a few other disciplines as well. If that happens often enough, and it has, it gave me confidence to know I can often see how things will in fact trend. I just learned to trust my instincts and insight. For instance, I was looking at my journal the other day, and noticed that on the day Trump descended the escalator in Trump Tower to declare his candidacy, I wrote three words: "rule of law". Lol, I knew what I meant by that. That there would be an assault on that bedrock building block if he were ever president. Seeing the news the past two days, from the opposition's perspective to be sure, of AG Barr taking a sledge hammer to the rule of law, demoralizing and politicizing our Justice Dept., it's hard not to think "yeah, that's what I was afraid of".

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...est-trump-including-stone-sentencing-n1135231

I know I must sound pretty arrogant at times, but I'm a humble person, really. Hey, Joe, of course I could be wrong. Maybe Trump will do something that will cause history to say he was the 21st century's greatest leader, who saved the human race from disaster.

At any rate, I count my blessings, Joe. I've had way more than(notice the correct usage, lolol?) my fair share. Life is plenty good enough.
 
LoPo said:
The food stamps thing is idiotic. The program damn near doubled under Obama. So all these starving people just decided to go get food all the sudden? And now, with record unemployment and financial rates, the measures should be lessened. I don't know about you, but I've seen plenty of people dressed well and driving a brand new car using food stamps. The program sucks.

The whole argument against Trump has been name calling from the beginning. I just don't buy it. Every move he does could be construed as him attacking some group, but I think he's mainly attacking poorly run or designed systems. We have so many bogus programs which are abused daily costing us billions.
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I agreed that I had done a poor job explaining the food stamp issue the first time; perhaps you are still focused on that explanation. I will try to be clearer. It is true that under static eligibility requirements, food stamp use will rise and fall with the economy. I agree a decline from reduced usage against static eligibility requirements are not an attack by Trump. My point was that Trump changed the eligibility requirements to make it harder to get food stamps.

I've seen plenty of people lose their jobs or get their hours cut after buying a new car. It's not like you can return a new car and get your money back, you lose a huge percentage of its value after you drive it off the lot. Should people be doubly punished for the bad timing by not getting food stamps?

Trump's whole campaign has been name-calling from the beginning. Why do you only hear one direction on that?
 
One Brow said:
I agreed that I had done a poor job explaining the food stamp issue the first time; perhaps you are still focused on that explanation. I will try to be clearer. It is true that under static eligibility requirements, food stamp use will rise and fall with the economy. I agree a decline from reduced usage against static eligibility requirements are not an attack by Trump. My point was that Trump changed the eligibility requirements to make it harder to get food stamps.

I've seen plenty of people lose their jobs or get their hours cut after buying a new car. It's not like you can return a new car and get your money back, you lose a huge percentage of its value after you drive it off the lot. Should people be doubly punished for the bad timing by not getting food stamps?

Trump's whole campaign has been name-calling from the beginning. Why do you only hear one direction on that?
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Once again, you are using the very tiny sample of the person who bought a new car but lost their job should get food stamps example. But sure, I guess they need food stamps. Just because Shaq banked in a 3 one time doesn't make him a 3 point threat. Tons of people abuse the food stamp system. I'm glad it's harder to get them.

I never said Trump wasn't an anus. He is the most unprofessional president we have ever had. I don't equate unprofessionalism with hating certain groups of people. The media is twisting that narrative.

Also, I don't rate my president by his professionalism. I rate it by the economy and my family's safety. As long as he isn't outright attacking people in our country or starting wars outside it, which he isn't on either, I'm okay with the job he's doing. I wish he had more polish and would stay off Twitter, but once again, I care more about his job.



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