Democrats aren't saying it was stolen, there saying Russian propaganda influenced the vote. I think you're smart enough to understand the difference, but sometimes you work pretty hard to make me doubt that.
The official "let's impeach Trump" thread
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JazzyFresh
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Imagine if Obama and Biden would've stopped
it instead of allow it to be able to give Iran nuclear and billions in untraceable cash in the dead of night....
Hm.
it instead of allow it to be able to give Iran nuclear and billions in untraceable cash in the dead of night....
Hm.
JazzyFresh
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"You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you,"
Hillary
Quit playing stupid.
JazzyFresh
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Crazy thing is .. as I've pointed out the only person we know colluded with Russia was Hillary campaign and the DNC when they paid Christopher Steele for the dossier created by the Russians.
This is undisputable.
Still waiting for the peetapes you QAnons.
This is undisputable.
Still waiting for the peetapes you QAnons.
Hillary =/= Democrats. She took it personally (for reasons that may or may not be clear to you) and it colors her judgment.
JazzyFresh
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She represented your entire party in the election lol.
The dossier was created by a British intelligence chief using Russian sources. That's different from "created by the Russians".
Indisputably wrong.
However, not at the time she made that statement.
JazzyFresh
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Lololololol omg. I'm literally laughing out loud.
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'They're not going to f**king succeed': Top generals feared Trump would attempt a coup after election, according to new book
The top US military officer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Mark Milley, was so shaken that then-President Donald Trump and his allies might attempt a coup or take other dangerous or illegal measures after the November election that Milley and other top officials informally planned for...
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Al-O-Meter
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This kind of conspiracy evidence reminds me of an old South Park episode.Hmm. Interesting. “Kompromat” on Trump?
Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House
Exclusive: Documents suggest Russia launched secret multi-agency effort to interfere in US democracywww.theguardian.com
The relevant clip is titled "Stan's Double Cross" and it is from season 10 episode 9. Due to compatibility issues I can't post the link on JazzFanz but it is:
southpark. cc. com/video-clips/kwzms9/south-park-stan-s-double-cross
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'Reichstag moment': Joint Chiefs chairman feared Trump was laying groundwork for coup
Gen. Mark Milley feared Trump might take unconstitutional actions after losing the election, according to the new book "I Alone Can Fix It."
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The Thriller
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Conspiracy? Only to the unbelievably ignorant. Prior to the election Trump had already compromised himself by lying about business dealings. His own son admitted that they depended on Russian cash. A “disproportionate” amount of their business.
Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-jr-said-money-pouring-in-from-russia-2018-2
Russia had leverage after his son, son in law, and campaign manager met with Russian officials at Trump tower during the summer of 2016 for dirt on Hillary Clinton. And lying about it (first it was about child adoptions, then Hillary, Donald sr didn’t know about it then admitted he knew and wrote Don Jr’s statement). Lying to the American press by going on Hannity to lie about this meeting helped compromise himself as Russia had the real truth and could use it to blackmail the Trumps. Kompromat!
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/05/us/politics/trump-tower-meeting-donald-jr.html
However, the plain and obvious leverage Russia had on him was his lying about business dealings in Moscow.
The Russians had dirt on Trump just from his (lying) about not having any business dealings in Russia in exchange for favorable American policy for Russia. They help him get elected? He grants them foreign policy favors.
source: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...rms-russia-aimed-to-help-trump-in-2016-198171
And again in 2020:
Intelligence Report: Russia Tried To Help Trump In 2020 Election
The report says Russian leader Vladimir Putin authorized a campaign to assist former President Donald Trump and undermine Joe Biden, though it was not on the same scale as Moscow's efforts in 2016.
www.npr.org
His own lawyer was in talks with Russian oligarchs tied to the Kremlin about building a Trump Tower in Moscow Just prior to the GOP convention in the summer of 2016. Trump then denied this, giving Russia kompromat.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-tower-explainer-idUSKCN1QZ159
His own campaign manager worked for free hoping to use his position close to the White House for personal financial gain. The beneficiaries? Russian oligarchs who he had done business with previously. He even shared campaign polling data with Russian intelligence so their operations would be better targeted.
Source: Mueller Report/Allen Weissman
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If Mueller and his team are too “liberal for you”, Fox News reported this too:
Manafort accused of sharing polling data with Russian allegedly linked to Kremlin
Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort has been accused of sharing polling data during the 2016 presidential election with a business associate allegedly linked to Russian intelligence and lying about it to prosecutors.
www.foxnews.com
We haven’t even delved into the later kompromat from Ntl Security adviser, Michael Flynn lying about communications with Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak, asking the Russians to not proceed with retaliating sanctions against the Obama administrations sanctions.
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you see, every time these morons communicated with the Russians and lied, they compromised themselves. The Russians could then use the truth as leverage or kompromat, to bend the administration to do their bidding.
A fair warning, I don’t intent to argue with you over this issue. I don’t see you as being informed well enough to argue (not that there is a fact based counter argument to Trump being compromised). Debating with you is like playing chess with a player who rather than make moves, eats the pieces. So I just want to make it clear to other posters here that Trump being compromised prior to the 2016 election and during his presidency, isn’t a conspiracy, but a proven and actually well documented fact to anyone who’s been paying attention to the news over the past five years.
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Al-O-Meter
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You’ve obviously put a lot of work in, but yes I think the leaked document is like Bush “accidentally” dropping that folder full of damning 9/11 evidence in the South Park clip.
Russia is a bogeyman that we plaster with the reputation of the old USSR for our own purposes. In reality, they are less capable than Italy. Every time they do something we really don’t like, we drop the price of oil which threatens to bankrupt their government. Even their nukes leftover from the cold war are all in American built facilities constructed as part of the Cooperative Threat Reduction (CTR) program. They have a leader who is almost a cartoon character, and we hold him up when it suits our purposes.
If you want to believe the Russians are hyper-capable geniuses able to pull the strings of the world and the only mistake they made was to accidentally leak a secret document to western news media that documented what hyper-capable, string pulling geniuses they were then I won't stop you. I think it looks like South Park.
The Thriller
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LOL
Like I said, eating chess pieces.
Russia being less capable than Italy. Oh boy.
It’s also amazing how often you jump to one extreme of an argument. There’s plenty of room between being less capable than Italy and controlling the world with hidden strings. Whether we’re talking about voting rights or Russian kompromat. Do you think hyperbole and strawman help the discussion?
It would be better to delve into the nuance using facts, not citing South Park episodes. Especially when dealing with a former world power that has struggled economically in the 21st century but still maintains an impressive stockpile of military weapons and is one of the preeminent world leaders in disinformation and cyberwarfare.
They aren’t a world superpower anymore but they’re far from being “less capable than Italy.” I don’t see Italy annexing Crimea or interfering with American elections or Brexit campaigns. But that would involve being informed and actually serious about discussion. You’ve proven capable of neither. Or you choose to do neither. OB or Red May find discussion with you to be enlightening. I don’t. Anyway, feel free to eat the entire chess board now.
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JazzyFresh
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Lol look at these QANONS. Qhiller using conspiracy and 2 pc using an article based off "may try it" speculation.
Great stuff Qanons
Great stuff Qanons
Al-O-Meter
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Italy GDP: 2.004 trillion USD
Russia GDP: 1.7 trillion USD
Sad that I'm on a block list but I don't reciprocate any ill will. The door is always open if you change your mind.
JazzyFresh
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He's gone. He's been gone. I understand not liking the guy but 7 months later and still obsessing over him. It's a mental disorder...
JazzyFresh
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Welcome to the club! Don't worry he still reads your post and will respond he just won't quote you. It's hilarious.
Russian spending on defense/intelligence is top 5 in the world, Italy is not even top 10.
Why would you think GDP is the best metric?