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JazzyFresh said:
Lol two different conversations bro...

I was an enabled addict so let me explain my thought process. You open your house up to me, I'm still an addict. You tell me to come on in, give me blankets but I'm still an addict. I go in my room you gave me and I get messed up, still an addict. My life is not getting better because you simply gave me a "place to stay". My addiction is getting worse. My mental health is getting worse.

Ok so you bring in a doctor to help. But right after that you bring in 15 other addicts in and my outlet(doctor) is over burdened. Suddenly you have a house of 16 addicts and absolutely nothing has been fixed. We start pooping in the house, leaving our paraphernalia around, and still getting ****ed up with no help. We are still addicts.

What is being solved here? The house is now completely overburdened and we are all still addicted with problems. Sure the person who opened his house had good intentions but all he did was give us another means to do drugs and not get help. He's literally not helping anybody get better but he's helping make matters for everyone worse not better.

He just enabled.
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I'm glad you made it out man. Stay strong and never give in to the demons.
 
Stars Fan said:
One of the most common ways to deal with homelessness is called housing first. Wherein you lower the barriers to housing, and end homelessness by giving them an apartment. You may say that this is enabling, but there are plenty of places that require addicts to be clean, to be healthy, etc. By giving people a place to live, they may do drugs...but they are less likely to die of an overdose and more likely to try to recover. I have seen several success stories like the one Our Dear Leader used as a prop in his state of the union rally. Was that guy enabled? Did he come from a Democratic city?

I agree with you it is getting worse. The opioid epidemic is not helping one bit. But taking away programs from those souls is not going to magically cure them, and it might just kill them.
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That's not what's happening though. I have no problem and agree with your premise here besides that. What is happening is flooding the streets with people that aren't getting any help whatsoever. Where sickness is rampant, mental health is declining, and addiction thrives.
 
JazzyFresh said:
That's not what's happening though. I have no problem and agree with your premise here besides that. What is happening is flooding the streets with people that aren't getting any help whatsoever. Where sickness is rampant, mental health is declining, and addiction thrives.
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It's happening in some places...DC, Philadelphia both have a housing-first approach. There are a few other places I know of too. But too few. It takes resources, but the data shows that it actually reduces costs by reducing the emergency room visits and the lawlessness.

It's a complicated thing and no one solution will fit all problems. Some high functioning addicts may respond to a "tough love"/ school of hard knocks approach. But the truly mentally ill, need all the help we can give them.
 
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Not everyone is physically and mentally equipped to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps", so what is your solution, Jazzy? To not help people in the hopes that they all die and then the problem is solved?

The War on Drugs helped create this situation. We, as a country, chose to treat addiction with imprisonment instead of treatment. It didn't work, and we know that now. But we are way behind the 8-ball in being able to provide resources for treatment. I work in this area, and the courts are now requiring treatment but there are not nearly enough treatment centers, etc. to handle the problem. So we are still imprisoning people because we don't have anywhere else for them to go. And the problem still exists when they return to society. Second chances are all well and good, but most people do not want to hire felons. They have a difficult time finding housing and jobs, and return to crime because they have no other options.

People only break that cycle when they get a hand up. Providing that hand is a much better and cheaper option than continuing our failed policies of the past.
 
The Thriller said:
And this:
2016 polls sucked and now polls shall never be believed again and that Trump is unbeatable despite never having an approval rating above 50 percent.
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Overall is almost irrelevant. There should be a poll that aggregates only Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

Whoever gets the majority there wins, almost guaranteed.

I wonder why Silver does not do this?
 
JazzGal said:
Not everyone is physically and mentally equipped to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps", so what is your solution, Jazzy? To not help people in the hopes that they all die and then the problem is solved?

The War on Drugs helped create this situation. We, as a country, chose to treat addiction with imprisonment instead of treatment. It didn't work, and we know that now. But we are way behind the 8-ball in being able to provide resources for treatment. I work in this area, and the courts are now requiring treatment but there are not nearly enough treatment centers, etc. to handle the problem. So we are still imprisoning people because we don't have anywhere else for them to go. And the problem still exists when they return to society. Second chances are all well and good, but most people do not want to hire felons. They have a difficult time finding housing and jobs, and return to crime because they have no other options.

People only break that cycle when they get a hand up. Providing that hand is a much better and cheaper option than continuing our failed policies of the past.
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My solution is to make things like mental illness a priority. A major priority and do everything in our power to make mental illness less of an outcast and more of a a forefront issue.

You say I'm not into helping people but that's far from the truth and is being misconstrued. What I'm saying is what the cities are doing right now is only making matters worse and if you don't believe Google it. It's skyrocketing.

Just letting people flood the street is helping absolutely nobody. It's not. You all are acting like it's some great moral cause and people are waking up but they are not... They are getting worse. They are getting worse because instead of trying to treat the current epidemic they are adding and welcoming more and more and more and more and more. You even admit the resources are sparse. This is non partisan.

To me that is absolutely stupid. But as I've asked others, I'll ask you. You look at the sky rocketing numbers in these cities like LA, SF, NY, NO and Baltimore. What had openly welcoming everybody fixed? If it's fixed anything than why are the numbers skyrocketing, not falling? What had been solved?

It's... Not...working... It's simply not.

It's making matters worse and the numbers reflect that.​
 
One Brow said:
No, she did not. That was your persecution complex reading into what she said.
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"your solution, Jazzy? To not help people in the hopes that they all die and then the problem is solved?"


Yeah she did. Your inability to read a damn sentence is astonishing. Please stay out of the conversation if your going to be a liar.
 
I didn't say you, personally. But your solution is not an overnight practical solution because the resources are not there. It will be a slow process. In the meantime, what do you want to do with people who are not in a position to take care of themselves? Where do you want to put them?
 
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