The Official "Let's Vote Trump Out" Thread!

[Stars Fan]

It's a wonder that Democratic run cities lead the country homelessness. Like 15 of the top 20 cities are Democratic plantations where rich rule the popr. You want to see some amazingly sad things walk down skid row, or be on the streets in San Francisco on Christmas morning.

"But food stamps!!!"

Clueless hypocrites and their moral high ground.

Please, try to be a little less judgmental about the homeless.

I worked for years with homeless vets in Washington DC. Believe me when I say there is no such thing as enabling homelessness like it's a choice rational people make. 100% of the vets I worked with had a mental health diagnosis. People who were once capable functioning members of our society, our "band of brothers", but are now incapable of living in an apartment due to paranoia, schizophrenia, PTSD or some other mental disability.

My experience is that they were living on the street in places like LA, DC, Santa Monica, NYC, etc, because those are places that are nice to live in. If you take away their resources they won't just dust themselves off and get a job. They usually just die. People on the street are survivors. But they are living closer to the edge than you imagine. I had many vets die while we were trying to help them. Most of these guys self medicate, but not all.

Those cities that think they can solve the homeless problem by kicking them to the curb and "making" them get a job are inhumane imo. So please, try to have some compassion on the poor people, many of them fought for your rights to treat them however you please. Some of them are on the street because of their time in the service. Homelessness is a complicated issue. It is not going to be solved, by simple solutions.

Be kind, it costs nothing.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Please, try to be a little less judgmental about the homeless.

I worked for years with homeless vets in Washington DC. Believe when I say there is no such thing as enabling homelessness, like it's a choice rational people make. 100% of the vets I worked with had a mental health diagnosis. People who were once capable functioning members of our society, our "band of brothers", were now incapable of living in an apartment due to paranoia, schizophrenia, PTSD or some other mental disability.

My experience is that they were living on the street in places like LA, DC, Santa Monica, NYC, etc, because those are places that are nice to live in. If you take away their resources they won't just dust themselves off and get a job. They usually just die. People on the street are survivors. But they are living closer to the edge than you imagine. I had many vets die while we were trying to help them. Most of these guys self medicate, but not all.

Those cities who think they can solve the homeless problem by kicking them to the curb and "making" them get a job are inhumane imo. So please, try to have some compassion on the poor people, many of them fought for your rights to treat them however you please. Some of them are on the street because of their time in the service. Homelessness is a complicated issue. Is not going to be solved, by simple solutions.

Be kind, it costs nothing.

I said nothing negative about homeless people. I said that these places are enabling it by its open doors and by doing things like opening places these people can inject heroin and meth without a worry. Clumping everyone up is not helping anybody and it's also starves resources to get these people help.

It's also pitiful that people like Pelosi and other Democrats are spending all their time on this waste of an impeachment instead of coming up with solutions. It's getting absolutely worse by the day. These people need help and they need it from those who have power to do so.


They are doing nothing though. I have nothing against homeless people, I have a strong dislike for the failed left policies.

 

[Stars Fan]

I said nothing negative about homeless people. I said that these places are enabling it by its open doors and by doing things like opening places these people can inject heroin and meth without a worry. Clumping everyone up is not helping anybody and it's also starves resources to get these people help.

It's also pitiful that people like Pelosi and other Democrats are spending all their time on this waste of an impeachment instead of coming up with solutions. It's getting absolutely worse by the day. These people need help and they need it from those who have power to do so.


They are doing nothing though. I have nothing against homeless people, I have a strong dislike for the failed left policies.

Jazzy I don't think you understand the problem. We don't enable people to do bad things by giving them a place to live, we enable them to live.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Jazzy I don't think you understand the problem. We don't enable people to do bad things by giving them a place to live, we enable them to live.

How is it helping them? Living on the sidewalk, mentally ill, drug addicted is not helping them. There's no roof over their head, there's no medical help, there's nothing.

But I'm curious, again how does it help? It's getting worse by the day so it's obviously not fixing the issue.

 

[One Brow]

Enabling homelessness and drug use is the cause and effect.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think goes through the mind of an "enabled" homeless person? Are they saying, "Hey, I can eat OK and see a doctor, so who cares if I constantly face other homeless people, many of who would beat me up for my shoes?" Are they saying, "thank goodness I can endure the rain and cold"?

Tell me, since you "manage retail", when's the last time you hired a homeless person? When have you offered a homeless person the "self worth, dignity, and the American dream" of having a job at your establishment?

 

[JazzyFresh]

Just out of curiosity, what do you think goes through the mind of an "enabled" homeless person? Are they saying, "Hey, I can eat OK and see a doctor, so who cares if I constantly face other homeless people, many of who would beat me up for my shoes?" Are they saying, "thank goodness I can endure the rain and cold"?

Tell me, since you "manage retail", when's the last time you hired a homeless person? When have you offered a homeless person the "self worth, dignity, and the American dream" of having a job at your establishment?

Lol two different conversations bro...

I was an enabled addict so let me explain my thought process. You open your house up to me, I'm still an addict. You tell me to come on in, give me blankets but I'm still an addict. I go in my room you gave me and I get messed up, still an addict. My life is not getting better because you simply gave me a "place to stay". My addiction is getting worse. My mental health is getting worse.

Ok so you bring in a doctor to help. But right after that you bring in 15 other addicts in and my outlet(doctor) is over burdened. Suddenly you have a house of 16 addicts and absolutely nothing has been fixed. We start pooping in the house, leaving our paraphernalia around, and still getting ****ed up with no help. We are still addicts.

What is being solved here? The house is now completely overburdened and we are all still addicted with problems. Sure the person who opened his house had good intentions but all he did was give us another means to do drugs and not get help. He's literally not helping anybody get better but he's helping make matters for everyone worse not better.

He just enabled.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Tell me, since you "manage retail", when's the last time you hired a homeless person? When have you offered a homeless person the "self worth, dignity, and the American dream" of having a job at your establishment?

2 right now. They weren't homeless at the the but they were fresh out of rehab with no direction and nobody to hire them. I'm all for giving people second chances in life. I have been bitten but a majority of the time a helping hand is all we need. I'm sorry I don't think keeping people pent up on the streets with no outlets is helping. It's not. Helping would be getting people help and off the streets not enabling and allowing them to continue to do the things that hurt them.

 

[One Brow]

Lol two different conversations bro...

I was an enabled addict so let me explain my thought process. You open your house up to me, I'm still an addict. You tell me to come on in, give me blankets but I'm still an addict. I go in my room you gave me and I get messed up, still an addict. My life is not getting better because you simply gave me a "place to stay". My addiction is getting worse. My mental health is getting worse.

Ok so you bring in a doctor to help. But right after that you bring in 15 other addicts in and my outlet(doctor) is over burdened. Suddenly you have a house of 16 addicts and absolutely nothing has been fixed. We start pooping in the house, leaving our paraphernalia around, and still getting ****ed up with no help. We are still addicts.

What is being solved here? The house is now completely overburdened and we are all still addicted with problems. Sure the person who opened his house had good intentions but all he did was give us another means to do drugs and not get help. He's literally not helping anybody get better but he's helping make matters for everyone worse not better.

He just enabled.

So, what you're saying is we would need 16 different houses and 16 different doctors to avoid overburdening?

 

[One Brow]

2 right now. They weren't homeless...

So actually zero.

No big deal. It's not your responsibility hire homeless people, right?

 

[JazzyFresh]

Personally I think it's selfish if you think that showing compassion and love is helping fix anybody. It's sure not helping them but it at least makes you feel good while record numbers get zero help and the numbers continue to grow.

So here's my question what is opening doors and welcoming these people solving? If it was solving anything then why are the numbers skyrocketing? The simple and common sense answer is it's not helping. It's making matters worse.

 

[JazzyFresh]

So actually zero.

No big deal. It's not your responsibility hire homeless people, right?

If one came in, I'd most certainly think about hiring them. There's not a lot here in a town of 12000 though. We do do a good amount of charity and fundraising. Maybe I'll look into homelessness.

 

[Stars Fan]

How is it helping them? Living on the sidewalk, mentally ill, drug addicted is not helping them. There's no roof over their head, there's no medical help, there's nothing.

But I'm curious, again how does it help? It's getting worse by the day so it's obviously not fixing the issue.

One of the most common ways to deal with homelessness is called housing first. Wherein you lower the barriers to housing, and end homelessness by giving them an apartment. You may say that this is enabling, but there are plenty of places that require addicts to be clean, to be healthy, etc. By giving people a place to live, You give them space to recover. They may do drugs...but they are less likely to die of an overdose and more likely to try to recover. I have seen several success stories like the one Our Dear Leader used as a prop in his state of the union rally. Was that guy enabled? Did he come from a Democratic city?

I agree with you it is getting worse. The opioid epidemic is not helping one bit. But taking away programs from those souls is not going to magically cure them, and it might just kill them.

 

[Stars Fan]

Lol two different conversations bro...

I was an enabled addict so let me explain my thought process. You open your house up to me, I'm still an addict. You tell me to come on in, give me blankets but I'm still an addict. I go in my room you gave me and I get messed up, still an addict. My life is not getting better because you simply gave me a "place to stay". My addiction is getting worse. My mental health is getting worse.

Ok so you bring in a doctor to help. But right after that you bring in 15 other addicts in and my outlet(doctor) is over burdened. Suddenly you have a house of 16 addicts and absolutely nothing has been fixed. We start pooping in the house, leaving our paraphernalia around, and still getting ****ed up with no help. We are still addicts.

What is being solved here? The house is now completely overburdened and we are all still addicted with problems. Sure the person who opened his house had good intentions but all he did was give us another means to do drugs and not get help. He's literally not helping anybody get better but he's helping make matters for everyone worse not better.

He just enabled.

I'm glad you made it out man. Stay strong and never give in to the demons.

 

[JazzyFresh]

One of the most common ways to deal with homelessness is called housing first. Wherein you lower the barriers to housing, and end homelessness by giving them an apartment. You may say that this is enabling, but there are plenty of places that require addicts to be clean, to be healthy, etc. By giving people a place to live, they may do drugs...but they are less likely to die of an overdose and more likely to try to recover. I have seen several success stories like the one Our Dear Leader used as a prop in his state of the union rally. Was that guy enabled? Did he come from a Democratic city?

I agree with you it is getting worse. The opioid epidemic is not helping one bit. But taking away programs from those souls is not going to magically cure them, and it might just kill them.

That's not what's happening though. I have no problem and agree with your premise here besides that. What is happening is flooding the streets with people that aren't getting any help whatsoever. Where sickness is rampant, mental health is declining, and addiction thrives.

 

[Stars Fan]

That's not what's happening though. I have no problem and agree with your premise here besides that. What is happening is flooding the streets with people that aren't getting any help whatsoever. Where sickness is rampant, mental health is declining, and addiction thrives.

It's happening in some places...DC, Philadelphia both have a housing-first approach. There are a few other places I know of too. But too few. It takes resources, but the data shows that it actually reduces costs by reducing the emergency room visits and the lawlessness.

It's a complicated thing and no one solution will fit all problems. Some high functioning addicts may respond to a "tough love"/ school of hard knocks approach. But the truly mentally ill, need all the help we can give them.

 

[Political Jazz Fan]

 

[JazzGal]

Not everyone is physically and mentally equipped to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps", so what is your solution, Jazzy? To not help people in the hopes that they all die and then the problem is solved?

The War on Drugs helped create this situation. We, as a country, chose to treat addiction with imprisonment instead of treatment. It didn't work, and we know that now. But we are way behind the 8-ball in being able to provide resources for treatment. I work in this area, and the courts are now requiring treatment but there are not nearly enough treatment centers, etc. to handle the problem. So we are still imprisoning people because we don't have anywhere else for them to go. And the problem still exists when they return to society. Second chances are all well and good, but most people do not want to hire felons. They have a difficult time finding housing and jobs, and return to crime because they have no other options.

People only break that cycle when they get a hand up. Providing that hand is a much better and cheaper option than continuing our failed policies of the past.

 

[silesian]

And this:
2016 polls sucked and now polls shall never be believed again and that Trump is unbeatable despite never having an approval rating above 50 percent.

Overall is almost irrelevant. There should be a poll that aggregates only Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

Whoever gets the majority there wins, almost guaranteed.

I wonder why Silver does not do this?

 

[JazzyFresh]

Not everyone is physically and mentally equipped to "pull themselves up by their bootstraps", so what is your solution, Jazzy? To not help people in the hopes that they all die and then the problem is solved?

The War on Drugs helped create this situation. We, as a country, chose to treat addiction with imprisonment instead of treatment. It didn't work, and we know that now. But we are way behind the 8-ball in being able to provide resources for treatment. I work in this area, and the courts are now requiring treatment but there are not nearly enough treatment centers, etc. to handle the problem. So we are still imprisoning people because we don't have anywhere else for them to go. And the problem still exists when they return to society. Second chances are all well and good, but most people do not want to hire felons. They have a difficult time finding housing and jobs, and return to crime because they have no other options.

People only break that cycle when they get a hand up. Providing that hand is a much better and cheaper option than continuing our failed policies of the past.

My solution is to make things like mental illness a priority. A major priority and do everything in our power to make mental illness less of an outcast and more of a a forefront issue.

You say I'm not into helping people but that's far from the truth and is being misconstrued. What I'm saying is what the cities are doing right now is only making matters worse and if you don't believe Google it. It's skyrocketing.

Just letting people flood the street is helping absolutely nobody. It's not. You all are acting like it's some great moral cause and people are waking up but they are not... They are getting worse. They are getting worse because instead of trying to treat the current epidemic they are adding and welcoming more and more and more and more and more. You even admit the resources are sparse. This is non partisan.

To me that is absolutely stupid. But as I've asked others, I'll ask you. You look at the sky rocketing numbers in these cities like LA, SF, NY, NO and Baltimore. What had openly welcoming everybody fixed? If it's fixed anything than why are the numbers skyrocketing, not falling? What had been solved?

It's... Not...working... It's simply not.

It's making matters worse and the numbers reflect that.​

 

[JazzyFresh]

Y'all are trying to tell me this is helping people? Showing compassion and love? It's not...