The Official "Let's Vote Trump Out" Thread!

[Stars Fan]

It's a wonder that Democratic run cities lead the country homelessness. Like 15 of the top 20 cities are Democratic plantations where rich rule the popr. You want to see some amazingly sad things walk down skid row, or be on the streets in San Francisco on Christmas morning.

"But food stamps!!!"

Clueless hypocrites and their moral high ground.

Please, try to be a little less judgmental about the homeless.

I worked for years with homeless vets in Washington DC. Believe me when I say there is no such thing as enabling homelessness like it's a choice rational people make. 100% of the vets I worked with had a mental health diagnosis. People who were once capable functioning members of our society, our "band of brothers", but are now incapable of living in an apartment due to paranoia, schizophrenia, PTSD or some other mental disability.

My experience is that they were living on the street in places like LA, DC, Santa Monica, NYC, etc, because those are places that are nice to live in. If you take away their resources they won't just dust themselves off and get a job. They usually just die. People on the street are survivors. But they are living closer to the edge than you imagine. I had many vets die while we were trying to help them. Most of these guys self medicate, but not all.

Those cities that think they can solve the homeless problem by kicking them to the curb and "making" them get a job are inhumane imo. So please, try to have some compassion on the poor people, many of them fought for your rights to treat them however you please. Some of them are on the street because of their time in the service. Homelessness is a complicated issue. It is not going to be solved, by simple solutions.

Be kind, it costs nothing.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Please, try to be a little less judgmental about the homeless.

I worked for years with homeless vets in Washington DC. Believe when I say there is no such thing as enabling homelessness, like it's a choice rational people make. 100% of the vets I worked with had a mental health diagnosis. People who were once capable functioning members of our society, our "band of brothers", were now incapable of living in an apartment due to paranoia, schizophrenia, PTSD or some other mental disability.

My experience is that they were living on the street in places like LA, DC, Santa Monica, NYC, etc, because those are places that are nice to live in. If you take away their resources they won't just dust themselves off and get a job. They usually just die. People on the street are survivors. But they are living closer to the edge than you imagine. I had many vets die while we were trying to help them. Most of these guys self medicate, but not all.

Those cities who think they can solve the homeless problem by kicking them to the curb and "making" them get a job are inhumane imo. So please, try to have some compassion on the poor people, many of them fought for your rights to treat them however you please. Some of them are on the street because of their time in the service. Homelessness is a complicated issue. Is not going to be solved, by simple solutions.

Be kind, it costs nothing.

I said nothing negative about homeless people. I said that these places are enabling it by its open doors and by doing things like opening places these people can inject heroin and meth without a worry. Clumping everyone up is not helping anybody and it's also starves resources to get these people help.

It's also pitiful that people like Pelosi and other Democrats are spending all their time on this waste of an impeachment instead of coming up with solutions. It's getting absolutely worse by the day. These people need help and they need it from those who have power to do so.


They are doing nothing though. I have nothing against homeless people, I have a strong dislike for the failed left policies.

 

[Stars Fan]

I said nothing negative about homeless people. I said that these places are enabling it by its open doors and by doing things like opening places these people can inject heroin and meth without a worry. Clumping everyone up is not helping anybody and it's also starves resources to get these people help.

It's also pitiful that people like Pelosi and other Democrats are spending all their time on this waste of an impeachment instead of coming up with solutions. It's getting absolutely worse by the day. These people need help and they need it from those who have power to do so.


They are doing nothing though. I have nothing against homeless people, I have a strong dislike for the failed left policies.

Jazzy I don't think you understand the problem. We don't enable people to do bad things by giving them a place to live, we enable them to live.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Jazzy I don't think you understand the problem. We don't enable people to do bad things by giving them a place to live, we enable them to live.

How is it helping them? Living on the sidewalk, mentally ill, drug addicted is not helping them. There's no roof over their head, there's no medical help, there's nothing.

But I'm curious, again how does it help? It's getting worse by the day so it's obviously not fixing the issue.

 

[One Brow]

Enabling homelessness and drug use is the cause and effect.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think goes through the mind of an "enabled" homeless person? Are they saying, "Hey, I can eat OK and see a doctor, so who cares if I constantly face other homeless people, many of who would beat me up for my shoes?" Are they saying, "thank goodness I can endure the rain and cold"?

Tell me, since you "manage retail", when's the last time you hired a homeless person? When have you offered a homeless person the "self worth, dignity, and the American dream" of having a job at your establishment?

 

[JazzyFresh]

Just out of curiosity, what do you think goes through the mind of an "enabled" homeless person? Are they saying, "Hey, I can eat OK and see a doctor, so who cares if I constantly face other homeless people, many of who would beat me up for my shoes?" Are they saying, "thank goodness I can endure the rain and cold"?

Tell me, since you "manage retail", when's the last time you hired a homeless person? When have you offered a homeless person the "self worth, dignity, and the American dream" of having a job at your establishment?

Lol two different conversations bro...

I was an enabled addict so let me explain my thought process. You open your house up to me, I'm still an addict. You tell me to come on in, give me blankets but I'm still an addict. I go in my room you gave me and I get messed up, still an addict. My life is not getting better because you simply gave me a "place to stay". My addiction is getting worse. My mental health is getting worse.

Ok so you bring in a doctor to help. But right after that you bring in 15 other addicts in and my outlet(doctor) is over burdened. Suddenly you have a house of 16 addicts and absolutely nothing has been fixed. We start pooping in the house, leaving our paraphernalia around, and still getting ****ed up with no help. We are still addicts.

What is being solved here? The house is now completely overburdened and we are all still addicted with problems. Sure the person who opened his house had good intentions but all he did was give us another means to do drugs and not get help. He's literally not helping anybody get better but he's helping make matters for everyone worse not better.

He just enabled.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Tell me, since you "manage retail", when's the last time you hired a homeless person? When have you offered a homeless person the "self worth, dignity, and the American dream" of having a job at your establishment?

2 right now. They weren't homeless at the the but they were fresh out of rehab with no direction and nobody to hire them. I'm all for giving people second chances in life. I have been bitten but a majority of the time a helping hand is all we need. I'm sorry I don't think keeping people pent up on the streets with no outlets is helping. It's not. Helping would be getting people help and off the streets not enabling and allowing them to continue to do the things that hurt them.

 

[One Brow]

Lol two different conversations bro...

I was an enabled addict so let me explain my thought process. You open your house up to me, I'm still an addict. You tell me to come on in, give me blankets but I'm still an addict. I go in my room you gave me and I get messed up, still an addict. My life is not getting better because you simply gave me a "place to stay". My addiction is getting worse. My mental health is getting worse.

Ok so you bring in a doctor to help. But right after that you bring in 15 other addicts in and my outlet(doctor) is over burdened. Suddenly you have a house of 16 addicts and absolutely nothing has been fixed. We start pooping in the house, leaving our paraphernalia around, and still getting ****ed up with no help. We are still addicts.

What is being solved here? The house is now completely overburdened and we are all still addicted with problems. Sure the person who opened his house had good intentions but all he did was give us another means to do drugs and not get help. He's literally not helping anybody get better but he's helping make matters for everyone worse not better.

He just enabled.

So, what you're saying is we would need 16 different houses and 16 different doctors to avoid overburdening?

 

[One Brow]

2 right now. They weren't homeless...

So actually zero.

No big deal. It's not your responsibility hire homeless people, right?

 

[JazzyFresh]

Personally I think it's selfish if you think that showing compassion and love is helping fix anybody. It's sure not helping them but it at least makes you feel good while record numbers get zero help and the numbers continue to grow.

So here's my question what is opening doors and welcoming these people solving? If it was solving anything then why are the numbers skyrocketing? The simple and common sense answer is it's not helping. It's making matters worse.

 

[JazzyFresh]

So actually zero.

No big deal. It's not your responsibility hire homeless people, right?

If one came in, I'd most certainly think about hiring them. There's not a lot here in a town of 12000 though. We do do a good amount of charity and fundraising. Maybe I'll look into homelessness.

 

[Stars Fan]

How is it helping them? Living on the sidewalk, mentally ill, drug addicted is not helping them. There's no roof over their head, there's no medical help, there's nothing.

But I'm curious, again how does it help? It's getting worse by the day so it's obviously not fixing the issue.

One of the most common ways to deal with homelessness is called housing first. Wherein you lower the barriers to housing, and end homelessness by giving them an apartment. You may say that this is enabling, but there are plenty of places that require addicts to be clean, to be healthy, etc. By giving people a place to live, You give them space to recover. They may do drugs...but they are less likely to die of an overdose and more likely to try to recover. I have seen several success stories like the one Our Dear Leader used as a prop in his state of the union rally. Was that guy enabled? Did he come from a Democratic city?

I agree with you it is getting worse. The opioid epidemic is not helping one bit. But taking away programs from those souls is not going to magically cure them, and it might just kill them.