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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread
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SteakNEggs
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What do you guys suppose this would entail? As I've been trying to point out but get accused of trolling I think once China joins this we are in WW3. I think this could easily of been avoided if we would mind our own business for just once instead of intervening in other countries problems. I also have read that Russia got beat up pretty bad by Ukraine in Vuhledar yet I'm being told they will dominate the entire West in a battle. Not without China which is now willing to meed up with Putin since we have intervened.
US national security adviser Jake Sullivan on Sunday vowed there would be “real costs” for China if the country went forward with providing lethal aid to Russia in its war on Ukraine.
“From our perspective, actually, this war presents real complications for Beijing. And Beijing will have to make its own decisions about how it proceeds, whether it provides military assistance. But, if it goes down that road, it will come at real costs to China. And I think China’s leaders are weighing that as they make their decisions,” Sullivan told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union.”
In diplomatic conversations with China, he added, the US is “not just making direct threats. We’re just laying out both the stakes and the consequences, how things would unfold. And we are doing that clearly and specifically behind closed doors.”
“So, I cannot predict the future, and nor can anyone else. And anyone who is suggesting they can define for you how and when this war will end is not leveling with the American people or anyone else,” he said.
US national security adviser Jake Sullivan on Sunday vowed there would be “real costs” for China if the country went forward with providing lethal aid to Russia in its war on Ukraine.
“From our perspective, actually, this war presents real complications for Beijing. And Beijing will have to make its own decisions about how it proceeds, whether it provides military assistance. But, if it goes down that road, it will come at real costs to China. And I think China’s leaders are weighing that as they make their decisions,” Sullivan told CNN’s Dana Bash on “State of the Union.”
In diplomatic conversations with China, he added, the US is “not just making direct threats. We’re just laying out both the stakes and the consequences, how things would unfold. And we are doing that clearly and specifically behind closed doors.”
“So, I cannot predict the future, and nor can anyone else. And anyone who is suggesting they can define for you how and when this war will end is not leveling with the American people or anyone else,” he said.
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Safetydan
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Why do you keep repeating this? It's laughable. Russia, a country run by Oligarchs, is about as far from Marxist principles as you could get. I don't know if calling you a troll is accurate, which would indicate some form of insincerity. You're just really really really really really dumb.
SteakNEggs
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@The Thriller Another poster that adds nothing but insults.
Marx literally helped publish the Communist Manifesto so if you want to try to prove me wrong, try adding something of substance for once instead of nothing but insults.
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Safetydan
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Oh. Was I trolling? My bad
SteakNEggs
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Breaking obvious rules all while adding nothing to the conversation. Just as Thriller and you all accuse me of when in reality it's you guys who do this. I have added many many thoughts here. Now what exactly have you ever added here?
SteakNEggs
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@Safetydan
This is what you have added lately. One post where you're not trashing posters and trying to pick fights... One... single...post. Nothing but trolling and bullying @The Thriller I am here to talk politics.. You guys are here to talk about me. If you don't like what I'm saying, ignore me.
This is what you have added lately. One post where you're not trashing posters and trying to pick fights... One... single...post. Nothing but trolling and bullying @The Thriller I am here to talk politics.. You guys are here to talk about me. If you don't like what I'm saying, ignore me.
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Safetydan
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Playing the Hits, I see. Nice to see I have a fan.
SteakNEggs
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All but 2 of your last 30 post have been about me or some dude you claim I am... I just provided definitive proof in screen shots. I haven't once searched you out. Just saying. But let's get back on topic. Do you have anything to say about the needless war are engaging in?
SteakNEggs
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Some history... Since I am the only one who cares to actually back my claims up instead of get angry and call others childish names.
Vladimir Ilich Ulyanov, or Lenin, was born in 1870 at Simbirsk (now Ulyanovsk). He entered the University of Kazan to study law but was expelled the same year for participating in student agitation. In 1893 he settled in St. Petersburg and became actively involved with the revolutionary workers. With his pamphlet Chto delat? (1902; What Is to Be Done?), he specified the theoretical principles and organization of a Marxist party as he thought it should be constituted.
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Russian and Soviet Marxism
Das Kapital was translated into Russian in 1872. Marx kept up more or less steady relations with the Russian socialists and took an interest in the economic and social conditions of the tsarist empire. The person who originally introduced Marxism into Russia was Georgy Plekhanov, but the person who adapted Marxism to Russian conditions was Lenin.Vladimir Ilich Ulyanov, or Lenin, was born in 1870 at Simbirsk (now Ulyanovsk). He entered the University of Kazan to study law but was expelled the same year for participating in student agitation. In 1893 he settled in St. Petersburg and became actively involved with the revolutionary workers. With his pamphlet Chto delat? (1902; What Is to Be Done?), he specified the theoretical principles and organization of a Marxist party as he thought it should be constituted.
Marxism - Russian, Soviet, Theory | Britannica
Marxism - Russian, Soviet, Theory: Das Kapital was translated into Russian in 1872. Marx kept up more or less steady relations with the Russian socialists and took an interest in the economic and social conditions of the tsarist empire. The person who originally introduced Marxism into Russia...
www.britannica.com
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Safetydan
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Oh did he do that? So, that's who Marx was. You learn new stuff every day, I swear. I guess my confusion is stemming from the fact that you've repeatedly described Russia as Marxist. I mean I know a country that covered the same geographic region definitely attempted communism but that was called the Soviet Union and has little resemblance to modern, capitalist, Russia. But I guess I'll take your word for it. You're the expert on Marx, probably.
Sorry, this is tangential to the topic. Ukraine has a right to sovereignty. Despite my disdain for the Military-Industrial Complex and war, sending weapons and aid to Ukraine is easily justified. I recognize that much of what Russia is doing now is some behavior that we, ourselves, as a nation have engaged in unjustly. As we denounce Russia, as they should be denounced, I hope we all, as a country, also take a look inwards and realize that we need to be similarly critical of any actions we have taken in the past and, hopefully not, in the future. A long shot, I know.
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Safetydan
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Some history... Since I am the only one who cares to actually back my claims up.
Russian and Soviet Marxism
Das Kapital was translated into Russian in 1872. Marx kept up more or less steady relations with the Russian socialists and took an interest in the economic and social conditions of the tsarist empire. The person who originally introduced Marxism into Russia was Georgy Plekhanov, but the person who adapted Marxism to Russian conditions was Lenin.
Vladimir Ilich Ulyanov, or Lenin, was born in 1870 at Simbirsk (now Ulyanovsk). He entered the University of Kazan to study law but was expelled the same year for participating in student agitation. In 1893 he settled in St. Petersburg and became actively involved with the revolutionary workers. With his pamphlet Chto delat? (1902; What Is to Be Done?), he specified the theoretical principles and organization of a Marxist party as he thought it should be constituted.
Marxism - Russian, Soviet, Theory | Britannica
Marxism - Russian, Soviet, Theory: Das Kapital was translated into Russian in 1872. Marx kept up more or less steady relations with the Russian socialists and took an interest in the economic and social conditions of the tsarist empire. The person who originally introduced Marxism into Russia...
Oh wow, He really is an expert on Marx and Communism TOO!